Double Points in the Final Race
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Everyone.
How about doing what other sports do and have knockouts to decide the championship? The first to race against the fourth, second against third then the grand finale to settle the WDC.
Did anyone ever play the old Micromachines racing game or the more recent Mashed game? The basic concept is that the last driver over the line is out and the remaining drivers keep going until only one remains.
After each round the driver in last place is out and can't compete again this season and with a 19 race calendar we should have a 4 way shootout in the last race, winner takes all.
Reliability would be key, scrap the tyre rules and make it a pure race to the finish of the season.
Sorry Chilton you're a one race wonder!
After each round the driver in last place is out and can't compete again this season and with a 19 race calendar we should have a 4 way shootout in the last race, winner takes all.
Reliability would be key, scrap the tyre rules and make it a pure race to the finish of the season.
Sorry Chilton you're a one race wonder!
Your odd 
'Dirt 2' did a similar thing called 'last man standing'. Every minute the car in last was eliminated.
'Dirt 2' did a similar thing called 'last man standing'. Every minute the car in last was eliminated.
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Lose one wheel per race - cars, trikes, bikes, unicycles and a running race to end the season.
How about they race and then the top ten go into a phone poll competition where the viewers decide who won the grand prix?
"Sebastian Vettel......it might be you. Lewis Hamilton.......it might be you! and the winner is.................Bernies bank balance!"
"Sebastian Vettel......it might be you. Lewis Hamilton.......it might be you! and the winner is.................Bernies bank balance!"
When I saw this the other day I was similarly disgusted like a vast majority of the folks around here, but then I decided that I simply couldn't get worked up about it yet because the prospect of another runaway so grim that it's not worth huffing and puffing.
And when you start talking about how it would have affected past Championships, this is one scenario where there is literally no comparison and would have undoubtedly altered the racing in any given title-decider over the years. However I do look forward to the list of WDC's that would have changed hands...
And when you start talking about how it would have affected past Championships, this is one scenario where there is literally no comparison and would have undoubtedly altered the racing in any given title-decider over the years. However I do look forward to the list of WDC's that would have changed hands...
KekeTheKing There you go. The WDC would have had a different outcome 10 times.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
Thanks. Some interesting stuff there.
People can, and will, bitch and moan all they want about this (proposed) change, but at the end of the day the best drivers usually find a way into the mix in whatever format the rulers can dream up.
There are much bigger issues to be concerned with anyway.
People can, and will, bitch and moan all they want about this (proposed) change, but at the end of the day the best drivers usually find a way into the mix in whatever format the rulers can dream up.
There are much bigger issues to be concerned with anyway.
Let's face it, simply enough it's a horribly contrived idea. If one race is of higher value then why not others? Should you get double points if you win in your home nation, for example?? Is a win at a prestige event of greater points value?!? It's not so bad that I'll stop watching but the ideas are starting to get more and more odd. Next we'll be hearing they're going back to the "choose 10 of your best scores" kind of approach we had in the 80s. The bottom line is it's the other teams' job to catch up with RB, just as it'll be RB's job to catch up with whoever else becomes the next flavour of the year(s).
It's possible this plan wont even go through. The famous "Medals" scoring system was scrapped 3 days before the 2009 season.
Not to mention that Abu Dhabi could use any bit of intrigue possible. Having the title decider there is almost as big as a farce as this points proposition.
Not to mention that Abu Dhabi could use any bit of intrigue possible. Having the title decider there is almost as big as a farce as this points proposition.
I hope it doesn't go through but unfortunately I think this has already had to have the approval of some of the teams to get to this point. I'm not sure there's anyone who else can kick a fuss up about it and make the FIA listen. I guess we just have to hope that Ferrari lose the WDC next year as a result of the change 
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Tacitus
Pole Sitter
Year, Old Champion, Margin, New Champion, Margin
1950 Giuseppe Farina 3 Giuseppe Farina 9
1951 Juan Manuel Fangio 6 Juan Manuel Fangio 15
1952 Alberto Ascari 12 Alberto Ascari 21
1953 Alberto Ascari 6.5 Juan Manuel Fangio 2.5
1954 Juan Manuel Fangio 16 6/7 Juan Manuel Fangio 9 5/14
1955 Juan Manuel Fangio 17 Juan Manuel Fangio 24
1956 Juan Manuel Fangio 3 Stirling Moss 3
1957 Juan Manuel Fangio 15 Juan Manuel Fangio 13
1958 Mike Hawthorn 1 Stirling Moss 2
1959 Jack Brabham 4 Jack Brabham 3
1960 Jack Brabham 9 Jack Brabham 8
1961 Phil Hill 1 Phil Hill 1
1962 Graham Hill 12 Graham Hill 12
1963 Jim Clark 25 Jim Clark 30
1964 John Surtees 1 John Surtees 7
1965 Jim Clark 14 Jim Clark 14
1966 Jack Brabham 14 Jack Brabham 11
1967 Denny Hulme 5 Denny Hulme 3
1968 Graham Hill 12 Graham Hill 21
1969 Jackie Stewart 26 Jackie Stewart 23
1970 Jochen Rindt 5 Jacky Ickx 4
1971 Jackie Stewart 29 Jackie Stewart 27
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi 16 Emerson Fittipaldi 7
1973 Jackie Stewart 16 Jackie Stewart 10
1974 Emerson Fittipaldi 3 Emerson Fittipaldi 6
1975 Niki Lauda 19.5 Niki Lauda 22.5
1976 James Hunt 1 James Hunt 5
1977 Niki Lauda 17 Niki Lauda 17
1978 Mario Andretti 13 Mario Andretti 12
1979 Jody Scheckter 4 Gilles Villeneuve 5
1980 Alan Jones 13 Alan Jones 22
1981 Nelson Piquet 1 Nelson Piquet 3
1982 Keke Rosberg 5 Keke Rosberg 1
1983 Nelson Piquet 2 Nelson Piquet 6
1984 Niki Lauda 0.5 Alain Prost 2.5
1985 Alain Prost 20 Alain Prost 20
1986 Alain Prost 2 Alain Prost 6
1987 Nelson Piquet 12 Nelson Piquet 12
1988 Ayrton Senna 3 Ayrton Senna 0*
1989 Alain Prost 16 Alain Prost 16
1990 Ayrton Senna 7 Ayrton Senna 3
1991 Ayrton Senna 24 Ayrton Senna 28
1992 Nigel Mansell 52 Nigel Mansell 46
1993 Alain Prost 26 Alain Prost 22
1994 Michael Schumacher 1 Michael Schumacher 1
1995 Michael Schumacher 33 Michael Schumacher 23
1996 Damon Hill 19 Damon Hill 29
1997 Jacques Villeneuve 39 Jacques Villeneuve 42
1998 Mika Häkkinen 14 Mika Häkkinen 24
1999 Mika Häkkinen 2 Mika Häkkinen 8
2000 Michael Schumacher 19 Michael Schumacher 26
2001 Michael Schumacher 58 Michael Schumacher 64
2002 Michael Schumacher 67 Michael Schumacher 71
2003 Michael Schumacher 2 Kimi Räikkönen 5
2004 Michael Schumacher 34 Michael Schumacher 30
2005 Fernando Alonso 21 Fernando Alonso 23
2006 Fernando Alonso 13 Fernando Alonso 16
2007 Kimi Räikkönen 1 Kimi Räikkönen 5
2008 Lewis Hamilton 1 Felipe Massa 5
2009 Jenson Button 11 Jenson Button 7
2010 Sebastian Vettel 4 Sebastian Vettel 23
2011 Sebastian Vettel 122 Sebastian Vettel 125
2012 Sebastian Vettel 3 Fernando Alonso 7
2013 Sebastian Vettel 155 Sebastian Vettel 165
1950 Giuseppe Farina 3 Giuseppe Farina 9
1951 Juan Manuel Fangio 6 Juan Manuel Fangio 15
1952 Alberto Ascari 12 Alberto Ascari 21
1953 Alberto Ascari 6.5 Juan Manuel Fangio 2.5
1954 Juan Manuel Fangio 16 6/7 Juan Manuel Fangio 9 5/14
1955 Juan Manuel Fangio 17 Juan Manuel Fangio 24
1956 Juan Manuel Fangio 3 Stirling Moss 3
1957 Juan Manuel Fangio 15 Juan Manuel Fangio 13
1958 Mike Hawthorn 1 Stirling Moss 2
1959 Jack Brabham 4 Jack Brabham 3
1960 Jack Brabham 9 Jack Brabham 8
1961 Phil Hill 1 Phil Hill 1
1962 Graham Hill 12 Graham Hill 12
1963 Jim Clark 25 Jim Clark 30
1964 John Surtees 1 John Surtees 7
1965 Jim Clark 14 Jim Clark 14
1966 Jack Brabham 14 Jack Brabham 11
1967 Denny Hulme 5 Denny Hulme 3
1968 Graham Hill 12 Graham Hill 21
1969 Jackie Stewart 26 Jackie Stewart 23
1970 Jochen Rindt 5 Jacky Ickx 4
1971 Jackie Stewart 29 Jackie Stewart 27
1972 Emerson Fittipaldi 16 Emerson Fittipaldi 7
1973 Jackie Stewart 16 Jackie Stewart 10
1974 Emerson Fittipaldi 3 Emerson Fittipaldi 6
1975 Niki Lauda 19.5 Niki Lauda 22.5
1976 James Hunt 1 James Hunt 5
1977 Niki Lauda 17 Niki Lauda 17
1978 Mario Andretti 13 Mario Andretti 12
1979 Jody Scheckter 4 Gilles Villeneuve 5
1980 Alan Jones 13 Alan Jones 22
1981 Nelson Piquet 1 Nelson Piquet 3
1982 Keke Rosberg 5 Keke Rosberg 1
1983 Nelson Piquet 2 Nelson Piquet 6
1984 Niki Lauda 0.5 Alain Prost 2.5
1985 Alain Prost 20 Alain Prost 20
1986 Alain Prost 2 Alain Prost 6
1987 Nelson Piquet 12 Nelson Piquet 12
1988 Ayrton Senna 3 Ayrton Senna 0*
1989 Alain Prost 16 Alain Prost 16
1990 Ayrton Senna 7 Ayrton Senna 3
1991 Ayrton Senna 24 Ayrton Senna 28
1992 Nigel Mansell 52 Nigel Mansell 46
1993 Alain Prost 26 Alain Prost 22
1994 Michael Schumacher 1 Michael Schumacher 1
1995 Michael Schumacher 33 Michael Schumacher 23
1996 Damon Hill 19 Damon Hill 29
1997 Jacques Villeneuve 39 Jacques Villeneuve 42
1998 Mika Häkkinen 14 Mika Häkkinen 24
1999 Mika Häkkinen 2 Mika Häkkinen 8
2000 Michael Schumacher 19 Michael Schumacher 26
2001 Michael Schumacher 58 Michael Schumacher 64
2002 Michael Schumacher 67 Michael Schumacher 71
2003 Michael Schumacher 2 Kimi Räikkönen 5
2004 Michael Schumacher 34 Michael Schumacher 30
2005 Fernando Alonso 21 Fernando Alonso 23
2006 Fernando Alonso 13 Fernando Alonso 16
2007 Kimi Räikkönen 1 Kimi Räikkönen 5
2008 Lewis Hamilton 1 Felipe Massa 5
2009 Jenson Button 11 Jenson Button 7
2010 Sebastian Vettel 4 Sebastian Vettel 23
2011 Sebastian Vettel 122 Sebastian Vettel 125
2012 Sebastian Vettel 3 Fernando Alonso 7
2013 Sebastian Vettel 155 Sebastian Vettel 165
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Just goes to show that it will make fuck all difference so why bother. Someone else pointed out that team tactics will come into effect in the last race, I suspect that team orders will come in to play throughout the season to try and avoid having to try and win the last race or to make sure that the favoured driver will be able to take advantage.
What a nonsense.
What a nonsense.
Fenderman
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The effect would go down the tables so for example this year Nico Hulkenberg would have been demoted to 11th in the championship and Perez elevated to 10th. In 2012 Hulkenberg would have been elevated to 10th and Perez demoted to 11th , meanwhile Jenson Button would have been elevated to 4th and Lewis Hamilton demoted to 5th. I haven't bothered to go back any further re. the drivers because swapping lower positions in the WDC that doesn't mean very much as FB says.
However, it does mean something to one or two teams lower in the order since championship position means money. This year under the double points rule Ferrari would have nabbed 2nd in the WDC from Mercedes. Just going back to 2010 when the new points structure was introduced only two other teams would have been affected. In 2011 Renault were 5th on 73 points and Force India were 6th on 69 points. Force India would have leap-frogged Renault to 5th thanks to an extra 12 points, finishing on 81 points as opposed to Renault only gaining one extra point to end up on 74.
What is significant to me is that the double points will reward or penalise so few and that the closer drivers or teams are the more dramatic the effect. If the battle is so tight between them what the heck is the need to artificially up the ante? With regard to the one or two teams who might lose WCC position, how will they ensure they don't undo a season's hard work at the last race? It seems to me that mid-field teams will take fewer risks. They will manage the drivers in races, whenever possible, in order to keep positions and only gain positions with low risk passing. They will run the cars conservatively to ensure they see the chequered flag.
The bottom line is that however teams react to it the double points thing will add absolutely nothing to the spectacle. What it might do is cost one or two teams a lot of money as one or two teams who didn't do as good are job rubbing their hands in glee.
, meanwhile Jenson Button would have been elevated to 4th and Lewis Hamilton demoted to 5th. I haven't bothered to go back any further re. the drivers because swapping lower positions in the WDC that doesn't mean very much as FB says.However, it does mean something to one or two teams lower in the order since championship position means money. This year under the double points rule Ferrari would have nabbed 2nd in the WDC from Mercedes. Just going back to 2010 when the new points structure was introduced only two other teams would have been affected. In 2011 Renault were 5th on 73 points and Force India were 6th on 69 points. Force India would have leap-frogged Renault to 5th thanks to an extra 12 points, finishing on 81 points as opposed to Renault only gaining one extra point to end up on 74.
What is significant to me is that the double points will reward or penalise so few and that the closer drivers or teams are the more dramatic the effect. If the battle is so tight between them what the heck is the need to artificially up the ante? With regard to the one or two teams who might lose WCC position, how will they ensure they don't undo a season's hard work at the last race? It seems to me that mid-field teams will take fewer risks. They will manage the drivers in races, whenever possible, in order to keep positions and only gain positions with low risk passing. They will run the cars conservatively to ensure they see the chequered flag.
The bottom line is that however teams react to it the double points thing will add absolutely nothing to the spectacle. What it might do is cost one or two teams a lot of money as one or two teams who didn't do as good are job rubbing their hands in glee.
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