Current Carlos Sainz

FB

Not my cup of cake
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There is some history with French teams only wanting French drivers, albeit back in the 80's, as both Ligier and Renault only chose Frenchmen for many years.
 

Il_leone

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Renault back in the 80's had been running French drivers mostly but that was probably helped by fundng and development of French drivers from the 70's and 80's that allowed them to do it . In the 00's its because they let Flav do his own thing which in the end turned into a big mistake

I just don't see Sainz staying at Toro Rosso so you're looking at Renault , Mclaren and probably unlikely Ferrari all trying to sign him
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
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I know we are straying off topic but it was the Elf motor racing school which gave us a slew of French drivers in the 70's and 80's. BP used to do the same in the UK. Here is the French "mafia"



In case any of you are confused, the bloke with the 'tache behind Prost is Bernard Bakalian who was/is is personal photographer.
 

Incubus

Champion Elect
RasputinLives actually I remember reading an interview of him a few months ago at some event or other when that particular subject came up. He didn't deny any of the various rumours but instead just sreflected that "the media in France didn't handle it very well at the time"!?... ROFL
 

RasputinLives

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So the 'wisdom' in the media is that Sainz will be loaned to Renault next year in exchange for Torro Rosso switching to Honda engines.

I Don't get this. How does the conversation go.

Torro Rosso: We Don't really want to switch to Honda but it's good for the sport and might be a good gamble so go on then.

Renault: OK. Well we Don't really want to supply Mclaren either so as payment for making us, and taking an engine you Don't want, you need to give us your best driver.

Torro Rosso: Well that seems like a good deal!
 

Il_leone

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I think the decision was more determined by Red Bull not Toro Rosso ( Helmut Marko , Christian Horner and in agreement with Franz Tost ) . It makes sense for both parties... Red Bull/ Toro Rosso get another of their drivers on the grid probably Gasly and Renault have one of the best upcoming drivers.

It can work so that Red Bull will promote Sainz if either of their current two move on or Sainz is going to be committed to Renault long term potentially
 

RasputinLives

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Oh it will be Gasly but I doubt Red Bull brokered the deal of Sainz to Renault in order to get Gasly on the grid. I think they would have much rather kept Sainz. This is something thrust upon them.

Everyone seems to do with Honda engines but what if it's to keep Renault engines for Torro Rosso? That makes more sense to me.
 
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F1Brits_90

Race Winner
So if it's not going to be Kvyat/Gasly, what will they go for? Kvyat/Galael?
if they dont rate Gasly thats 1 thing which i find very strange being reigning Gp2 champion. 2nd in FR3.5 losing out only to Sainz we all know how highly rated he is & 2nd currently in super formula with brilliant chance to win championship is 1 thing. but if they overlook Gasly for Gelael a guy who ive watched in F2 last 2 years is so slow he makes Hayarnto look like Vettel. then head of red bull youth driver programme needs sacking & then sectioning
 

Il_leone

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RasputinLives Having spoken not so highly of him Gasly won his last race so he is getting notice again. Promoting Gelael makes no sense unless it was about the money. It would be something unusual by Red Bull not to consider promoting a GP2 champion

The Sainz situation meets all parties requirements

Sainz wants to move to a more competitive team
Renault wanted him so that is a tick
Red Bull managed to offload the Renault engine for a Honda engine to size up its potential I think they will make better fist of it if Adrian Newey is going to be more involved
They can see if Sainz is ready to promote to Red Bull if he shows well at Renault

Toro Rosso - the team carries on Red Bull's tradition in promoting its young drivers and they will have the worst young driver pairing for a while. If Kyvat does not perform he's finished , if Gasly fails to beat Kyvat then his chances to Red Bull gets reduced
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
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I suspect it might be a bit closer between them compared to Nico and Jolyon :snigger:
 

gethinceri

Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan.
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I've also been a big fan of Hulkenberg since A1 GP, sadly he's never fulfilled my ambition for him. He's been wildly erratic and perhaps that's why he's never had a top drive.
 

Il_leone

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gethinceri Erratic is probably not the word but inconsistent and certainly lacks the financial backing to say he is better than drivers who bring a bit of money but Hulkenberg has not been pushed enough by Palmer this year

Perhaps next season he will be pushed hard by Sainz to elevate him to the next level
 
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