Budget caps....let's talk
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F1Brits_90
World Champion
it is ridiculous. its old the adage if you cant do the time, don't do the crime. you have expect criticism if your going to be (what is banded about) 1.8m over. maybe they will be more careful in staying with in the rules like the other 9 did
in the 2nd mention for Rihanna take a bow in a week Don't tell me you're sorry 'cause you're not. Baby when I know you're only sorry you got caught
in the 2nd mention for Rihanna take a bow in a week Don't tell me you're sorry 'cause you're not. Baby when I know you're only sorry you got caught
F1Brits_90
World Champion
just watching teds Notebook & he says that Red Bull 4 reasons for why they are above the budget cap but it wasnt on the car are
- Catering (Appartantly as mad as it sounds that is correct)
- They didnt include a tax rebate because they said they didnt know how much it would be & that refund wouldve put them under
- Unused inventory that they say FIA changed their rules on half way through the season
- Dan Fallows being on Gardening leave ahead of his move to Aston Martin
Il_leone
World Champion
Ironic that because they refused to release Fallows to AM they are caught over spending.. someone should have flagged that to them
I don't buy the free sandwiches excuse
The FIA‘s flagship policy is in the bin already. Cue all teams overspending from now on.
The only suitable punishment is to have Adrian Newey drive Max Verstappen‘s car next season, that was designed by Christian Horner.
F1Brits_90
World Champion
F1Brits_90
World Champion
the proof will be in the pudding & how well red bull do next season. i wouldve gone 25-50% on windtunnel time. because it feels lenient as well as 0.5 sec maximum hurt wouldnt change much. you look at verstappen in recent races half a second slower a lap he still wins & likely comfortably. .
if Red Bull dominate next season to same extent. it will open a can of worms. & people think a minor breach is acceptable then you got potential war between rulemakers & owners. they will want budget cap enforced as it cant be understated how massive it for part of liberty media long term vision
if Red Bull dominate next season to same extent. it will open a can of worms. & people think a minor breach is acceptable then you got potential war between rulemakers & owners. they will want budget cap enforced as it cant be understated how massive it for part of liberty media long term vision
Tuscan1969
Podium Finisher
It's another nail in the coffin of f1 credibility.
A cap is supposed to be a limit and it was broken in 2021 yet the punishment has no impact till 2023.
How can you accept that this does not impact the legitimately of the 2021 and 2022 results?
A cap is supposed to be a limit and it was broken in 2021 yet the punishment has no impact till 2023.
How can you accept that this does not impact the legitimately of the 2021 and 2022 results?
Il_leone
World Champion
Knowing Adrian Newey he is already working hard on making sure all the downforce has been captured before the restrictions
Incidentally tosspot Karen wants an apology from everyone my answer is kiss my a$$
F1Brits_90
World Champion
yeah toto wolff has said he can pinpoint when this season went wrong & it was in november when they saw the windtunnel figures & the ground effect seal they thought they had so build around it. but didnt take into account the bumpy circuits
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F1Brits_90
World Champion
Red Bull loses this much wind tunnel time compared to Ferrari and Mercedes
The FIA has finally put an end to all speculation surrounding Red Bull Racing's budget cap. The team must pay a $7 million fine, but must also make do with 10 per cent less testing time in the wind tunnel. How much does that hurt compared to the rivals at Ferrari and Mercedes?
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F1Brits_90
World Champion
although i agree with Horner on this. he is correct to say that no punishment was going to be acceptable. people have been baying for blood.
really FIA really need Ferrari & Mercedes to bring their A game in 2023 & challenge them. because worst case is if Verstappen canters to another title & look like they got off "Scot free" & if any other teams have a minor breach start push their luck. like F1 teams always have & the FIA have seemed to weaken budget cap maybe put in jeopardy the owners main vision, in a sport that cost them 5 billion. i dont know what would happen because technically liberty media in F1 case are FIA bosses.
really FIA really need Ferrari & Mercedes to bring their A game in 2023 & challenge them. because worst case is if Verstappen canters to another title & look like they got off "Scot free" & if any other teams have a minor breach start push their luck. like F1 teams always have & the FIA have seemed to weaken budget cap maybe put in jeopardy the owners main vision, in a sport that cost them 5 billion. i dont know what would happen because technically liberty media in F1 case are FIA bosses.
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Chris Tea
Test Driver
FIA said they see no evidence of RBR's intention, that it was just a series of mistakes. 13 of them seems a lot and I was suspecting RBR of pushing the limit everywhere hoping that at least some of them would stick. But then I heard a comment during FP2 that all teams had a dry run in 2020, submiting the budgets as if they were under a cap to learn how to do it. The only team not doing it in 2020 was RBR. That explains the huge amount of errors compared to the other teams. The fact that they made errors in both ways supports that as well.
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