Grand Prix 2019 Canadian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Angel

🧸
Contributor
But it would help for consistency if you had the same group of stewards at each race.
Didn't they bring it in that there was a variety of stewards to prevent favouritism? I think I recall them saying that. Yes if you had a consistent set of stewards the penalties may be more even handed, but if they have people they like and others they don't it would be unfair on those they 'judged more harshly' shall we say.
 

olegg

Race Winner
But it would help for consistency if you had the same group of stewards at each race.
First, it does not guarantee anything, because of the arguments listed earlier.
And second, am confident, that for permanent stewards in terms of arguments for critics
appeared something type "command preferences".
 
Do we know who the other stewards were apart from Pirro? They used to list the stewards after each race but I can't find that for this race. Pirro isn't exactly inexperienced himself as he raced in 31 Grands Prix and won Le Mans 5 times.
whenever I hear Pirro's name being mentioned it reminds me of an interview that I saw many years ago on the magazine of the Italian karting federation (Pirro's dad was its chairman, and a board member of CSAI, the Italian equivalent to the BRDC) when rather than talking about his racing, at the time he was doing F3 with Euroracing and finished second in the european championship behind his team mate Oscar Larrauri, he said that he cared a lot about his looks and if he had to go to a party and everybody was going to wear black (it was the early 80s) he would be wearing white, he just wanted to make a point (he also said that his dad didn't help him get Marlboro backing despite not so great results). I know that this has nothing to do with his decision in Canada but whenever I think of him I remember this interview that he gave so many years ago
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
Didn't they bring it in that there was a variety of stewards to prevent favouritism? I think I recall them saying that. Yes if you had a consistent set of stewards the penalties may be more even handed, but if they have people they like and others they don't it would be unfair on those they 'judged more harshly' shall we say.
Well, that is why I think you need a "pool" of professional stewards. Maybe 10-15 with 5 attending each race.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
also I might just mention
Chinese Baku Spanish GP - 319
Canada - 326

I guess no such thing as bad publicity just wish that we were talking about vettel in Canada 2012. not vettel in Canada 2019
 

Izumi

Banned
Well, that is why I think you need a "pool" of professional stewards. Maybe 10-15 with 5 attending each race.
OK, so, instead 3 stewards rendering wrong judgement, now it will be 5 who are wrong. "Pushing off the track" someone should not be judged at all, because
also I might just mention
Chinese Baku Spanish GP - 319
Canada - 326

I guess no such thing as bad publicity just wish that we were talking about vettel in Canada 2012. not vettel in Canada 2019
How about this one?
WATCH: Hamilton has similar block to Sebastian Vettel's in 2016 but WITHOUT penalty
 

Jimbob

Learner
... the race at Indy where most of the cars had to pull off. That truly hurt F1 in the U.S. Some controversy is good for publicity but it can hurt.....
I was actually at that race and thoroughly enjoyed it. The evening before, there were all sorts of rumours going around, which continued right up to race time. When all the cars appeared for the parade lap, the fans thought it might be a normal race but we all know what happened next.

Anyway, I remember saying to somebody: one thing about that race is that it will never be forgotten and you will never forget you were there!
 

Johnny Carwash

Champion Elect
Contributor
Felt at the time the the result of the race was unfair to Ferrari and Sebastian Vettel was harsh. But after 2 weeks of “well this happened in 2016 and here was no penalty how is that fair” sort of attitude, I hope Ferrari lose whatever appeal they lodge and also that they don’t win a race all season.
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
OK, so, instead 3 stewards rendering wrong judgement, now it will be 5 who are wrong.
Well, it was five stewards at Canada....but you prefer the current system where at each race there is a different set of stewards?
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
I was actually at that race and thoroughly enjoyed it. The evening before, there were all sorts of rumours going around, which continued right up to race time. When all the cars appeared for the parade lap, the fans thought it might be a normal race but we all know what happened next.

Anyway, I remember saying to somebody: one thing about that race is that it will never be forgotten and you will never forget you were there!
Did you get a refund?

It was a shame to loose that venue though.
 

Izumi

Banned
Well, it was five stewards at Canada....but you prefer the current system where at each race there is a different set of stewards?
No, for reasons stated in past comments, I want to re-write all rules, and take subjective judgements out of the equation. Second guessing driver's intent is a problem IMHO. We have over-regulated series, full of redundancies. Be careful, drive safely...its all useless. These are racing drivers ffs.
Let drivers sort out their problems among themselves during a race. Driver changing his racing line and uses the zig-zagging as a block (Verstappen vs Raikonnen), deserves intervention by stewards. What happened in Canada requires stewards do noting but sit tight and quietly sip their Tim Horton coffee.
 
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Ruslan

Podium Finisher
IIRC, a full refund plus an option to get tickets at reduced price for following year. Pretty decent, I thought.
Well, the only time I was at Indy....they kicked me off the track.

I had a business meeting in Indianapolis of all places....so during some down time, drove over to the track, wandered in, and decided to walk a lap of the track. Got about 3/4rds the way around before they asked me to leave.
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
No, for reasons stated in past comments, I want to re-write all rules, and take subjective judgements out of the equation. Second guessing driver's intent is a problem IMHO. We have over-regulated series, full of redundancies. Be careful, drive safely...its all useless. These are racing drivers ffs.
Let drivers sort out their problems among themselves during a race. Driver changing his racing line and uses the zig-zagging as a block (Verstappen vs Raikonnen), deserves intervention by stewards. What happened in Canada requires stewards do noting but sit tight and quietly sip their Tim Horton coffee.
Yea, not that impressed with Tim Horton.
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
Don't say that to a Canadian! Even though the Tim Hortons chain has been owned by foreign investors since 2014, most Canadians think it is theirs.
Yes, I am amazed at the passion they have for a perfectly mediocre donut place.
 

Izumi

Banned
I had to make numerous trips by a car between Michigan and Toronto, and despite being finicky about quality of coffee I drink, you have no idea how many times at 4 am before hitting highway I've parked by the window at Hortons, ask for big one, double-double, because it was so needed... :) (My working breakfast.)
 
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