Grand Prix 2014 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the 28th time in a row we come to the Hungaroring for the Hungarian Grand Prix. That actually makes this the 3rd longest serving track on the calendar with Spa taking a break for 2003 and Silverstone not having the British Grand Prix in 1986. So rightfully should be given the ‘classic’ status as an event. It isn’t a phrase used very often for the track though as it greatly divides opinion amongst fans due to the difficult nature if passing on the track. Its often described as Monaco without the walls and whilst to some that is a negative tag for me, as I love Monaco, it’s a compliment. The twisty nature of the dust bowl that is Hungry is a great leveller for car performance or for at least mixing up the running order as due to the place barely having a straight the teams can’t just rely on horsepower to blast their way through. One of the reasons I personally love the track is because a driver who dials himself into the track can really make a difference. If a driver picks their lines spot on and finds the best spots on the tarmac for grip they can arguably get more of a gain at this track than on any other track all season.

Personally I fell in love with the Hungaroring after watching the tense battle of the Boutsen train in 1990. For me that was F1 at its finest as the best in the business at the time put each other under pressure and tried as hard as they can to find a way to the front. Boutsen held on with the defensive drive of his life but Senna came above the rest to take the 2nd spot although he and Berger both got away with basically punting Naninni and Mansell out of the race in moves now that would have the stewards jumping over themselves to slap on massive penalty’s. Speaking of penalty’s it would be amiss of me not to mention what, for me, was the overtake of the season by Grosjean last year that was ‘disallowed’ due to a dubious judgement of track limits.

Overtaking is difficult here but whilst it is not in abundance it is always of high quality as a driver really has to work hard to make it stick. The hard nature of the overtaking does not mean we always have lights to flag victories. This would not be a Hungarian GP review without a mention of Mansell’s win from 12th in 1989. The racing here is never without passion, which leads me to pointing towards Damon Hill’s awesome drive in the Arrows in 97. Its also in recent times been known for first time winners with Alonso, Button and Kovalinen taking debut wins here.

This season the Hungaroring should shake things up a bit by again the Merc advantage with that not able to use that horsepower. We do seem to say that every week now though. If you look at Lewis Hamilton’s form around this track I can’t see it mattering too much and, whilst Rosberg has never had great results round here, Its similarity to Monaco and his form there suggests he won’t be any slouch either. The Red Bull chassie should really come in to play round here and should shuffle them forward meaning Danny Ricciardo might be buzzing around them silver arrows and with Vettel creeping ever closer to him he should be around too. The Williams is continuing to look good with Bottas really seeming to have found another gear and with this being the nearest he has to a home race he could be a factor. I don’t think we should rule out the Mclaren’s too as Jenson Button is another expert around here and KMag comes to one of the few tracks he knows and race around last season. The car seems to be getting better and any sign of a weather mix up and they’ll most likely have to be factored in by the pair at the front.

This race is the last race of the first act of F1 2014 and you have to say its been a good one. We all know that the summer break can change a lot but whatever that may bring everyone will be hoping for a great result at this one. The break is a long time to rue any errors, and in the case of the Merc drivers, it’s a long time to be sitting doing maths in your head at what you need to do to pull a points gap back.

So come on guys hit me with a few predictions as well as thoughts on the Hungaroring.
 
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there was always the 2nd safety car as well which no one but Ricciardo saw to switch strategies

This was Nico's race which he did not capitalise - he had the big lead and he was the lead Merc driver.. instead he drove a very cautious race after the restart which ultimately cost him
 
So it was Rosberg's fault for being too far in front? He was just unlucky as to where he was on the circuit when the safety car was called, had he been a hundred yards further on he would have been past the safety car when it came out, the he could have pitted without losing the lead even if everyone else did pit. It was presumably also Rosberg's fault to come across Vergne on fresh tyres, he should have waited longer until Vergne's tyres were worn before catching him.

Where the hell is that sarcasm smiley?
 
maybe someone decide Nico has had enough luck already and time to even things out

- I did say that Red Bull stood a chance of winning in Hungary to stop the Mercedes clean sweep (before Canada happened)

Any notice the parallel between the two races - both 70 laps long and both times Ricciardo passed the leader on lap 68 to win

- are there any more races which are 70 laps long then?

As for the rest of the season - apart from Singapore - I think we are looking at Mercedes winning them all
 
What a race, what a race. Holy hell what a race. Incredible drive from Ricciardo on getting that strategy absolutely spot on and making the moves necessary to win, especially a hell of a pass on Hamilton. What a drive by Alonso to even be competitive in that Ferrari, let alone on 30 lap old softs. This season has all but confirmed that he is the best in the sport. Sorry Lewis fans your man is clearly pretty good but not quite in Nando league I don't think. What a drive from Lewis though too. Some say that the safety cars helped him, and yes they did put him in a much better position to pounce but he still had to make the moves the safety car couldn't do that for him it could only close the gap. Hell of a move on Vergne and great driving to fight off Rosberg at the end. Shout out to Bottas for some awesome first lap outside moves, Vergne for some incredible driving mid race although he didn't get the end result he wanted, and Gutierrez for running with the mid pack boys on pure pace before retiring.

As for everyone arguing about safety car issues: shut up. Its a necessary part of the sport and its always going to help some drivers and hurt others. Its a thing called luck, what really shows a great driver is who capitalizes on the good luck and makes some moves on the newly bunched up field or who turns around some bad luck and pulls right back away from the pack.
 
I don't understand the hate in this thread. We just saw an absolutely brilliant race. If you are mad about anything be mad about the ideas the strategy group are coming up with.

For all of the pessimism earlier this year in regards to how horrible this season was going to be, this race proves those arguments wrong. This season has been fantastic, and today was no different. The race had everything you could ever want.

We can all be Monday-morning quarterbacks, but in all honesty these guys know what they are doing. Sometime I just wish we could all just appreciate a great race and not analyze the shit out of it.
 
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I don't understand the hate in this thread.
What hate? All I see is opinions and isn't discussing the difference in opinions what a forum is all about, if we all agreed then the forum would be totally redundant.

This is why I always put forward an alternative point of view, to get people to actually discus the issues rather than to simply stroke each others fandom.
 
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I'm not sure I would call it hate by I wouldn't call it intellectual discussion either. Just silly bickering about safety cars and Lewis v. Nico and all that. I'm all ears to the Lewis v. Nico arguments if they're good arguments but usually they're all very biased. Sorry. That's just me if you enjoyed the previous discussions then good for you.

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I suppose so. However, when peoples arguments are as grounded in fact as Sarah Palin's political understanding then I begin to get agitated. I love coming onto this thread and learning things about the sport that I (a reasonably well education fan) didn't know before. I am usually awed by level of insight into the sport that I love.

I just get tired of all of the "well anyone can see he should have done this" sort of comments. These people have these jobs for a reason, if it was easy we'd all be doing it.

Now, bring me knowledge for I am hungry for it!
 
Westy, we are all passionate about the sport, that's why we're part of this forum; it's just that we are passionate in different ways and from different angles. I agree with Mephistopheles (even though we rarely agree on anything else) that it's just healthy debate and opinions. Ok, sometimes the arguments get a bit simplistic and driven by our biases, and sometimes we (myself included) would be better advised to move on. And isn't being an armchair expert part of the fun?

For real hatred, just think back to 606.
 
The move by Lewis showed the difference between him and NIco in terms of class in passing Vergne.

Nico could not find way past but Lewis decide which showed the racer's instinct
Maybe (the wear of the) tyres played a part here?
I can remember Monza a few years back where Hamilton was trying in vain to pass Schumacher, but as soon Button came up behind Schumacher he was easy meat.
 
Autosports Ed Straw has rated the drivers: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/f...-ratings/?_ga=1.60804260.828484739.1398112302

I don't have a problem with his ratings, as such. I just have to question why Autosport don't have someone check their typos and blatant errors. He lists the drivers race strategy and in the case of Lewis he has got it wrong. A minor detail in most cases but not in this particular case, since it was a decisive feature of this race:
44 LEWIS HAMILTON
Mercedes F1 W05


Start: 22nd (pits)
Finish: 3rd
Strategy: 2 stops (inter/soft/soft)

Lewis actually used: (inter/soft/medium)
 
Driver Rating
S Vettel 6
D Ricciardo 9
N Rosberg 8
L Hamilton 8
K Raikkonen 7
F Alonso 9
R Grosjean 3
P Maldonado 5
K Magnussen 7
J Button 8
S Perez 5
N Hulkenberg 4
E Gutierrez 8
A Sutil 7
J-E Vergne 9
D Kvyat 6
F Massa 8
V Bottas 8
J Bianchi 8
M Chilton 6
M Ericsson 4
KA Kobayashi 7

Copied from Autosport for Hamberg

NB: Sorry I forgot how to use BB code for table.
P.S. I have no idea what that rating means!!!
 
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