Grand Prix 2012 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

With the flyaway races finished for the time being the F1 bandwagon rolls into Europe for the first time for the Spanish Grand Prix. Traditionally this race hasn't provided the most entertaining of races with the pole sitter more often than not going on to win the race. 2011 was no exception as pole sitter Sebastian Vettel went on to win the race, however he wasn't by any means cruising as Lewis Hamilton charged him down and almost managed to take the lead off the young German but ran out of laps as he just couldn't get into the DRS window around a track that is difficult to overtake on.

Going into this years race it is virtually impossible on who is going to win the race. So far there have been 4 different winners with Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel all having stood on the top step of the podium so far this season and there hasn't been any team which has been consistently at the front at all four races with everyone having their fair share of problems and also benefiting from other peoples problems. The only truly consistent teams seem to be in the regions of midfield with teams like Williams who are now regular contenders for points after their 2012 car is proving to be far better than their dismal 2011 effort which barely managed to get a point and they have already surpassed last years total in just 4 races which isn't a bad achievement considering both drivers weren't exactly tipped for great things this season.

The buzzword at Mclaren at the moment and particularly for Lewis Hamilton is undoubtedly pit stops after a series of poor stops destroyed his race in Bahrain and also in Australia when he got caught out by the safety car. Jenson Button has also been affected by poor pit stops which show how these aren't isolated incidents and it is something that Mclaren urgently need to address as there is virtually no chance of getting on the podium let alone winning a race if they keep botching pit stops, for example, Hamilton lost well over 20 seconds from just pit stop problems which robbed them of at the very least 4th place if not a podium but this was probably unlikely given the supreme pace of Raikkonen and Grosjean in the lotus cars.

Indeed, lotus finally managed their most consistent race of the season and showed that they have designed a very fast race car as Kimi Raikkonen very nearly won his first race since returning to the sport in only his fourth race as an aggressive race saw him get within striking distance of leader Vettel but ultimately fell slightly away and had to settle for second which was still a fantastic result and with Grosjean finishing a comfortable third things are looking up for lotus going into the European season.

Barcelona is traditionally a hot and dry race although there have been wet races before although there hasn't been a rain affected race for a good number of years now. However it will be still difficult to suggest a possible winner as it depends who was the most productive at the Mugello test which starts today (Tuesday 1st May) and teams like Ferrari are banking that the raft of updates and upgrades that they will bring to the car for Barcelona will kick start their stuttering season which would be a boost for Fernando Alonso at his home race and an improved car would easily give him a good chance of a third drivers championship as he has already won a race in the below average Ferrari that is lower points at best at this moment in time but that could change for Barcelona and they will need to otherwise heads could be rolling at Maranello if Ferrari are out of the Championship before it has barely got going.

For Galahad 's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-catalunya/
 
Putting the penalty aside, I think Lewis can pick up some points from where he starts. We could actually see an incredible drive from him tomorrow considering he was half a second quicker in quali. Bring it on. I love watching Lewis from the back. Hope he uses the penalty to driver with determination, rather than anger.
 
I have no doubt in my mind that this penalty would not have been applied if it wasn't Lewis Hamilton/Mclaren
I absolutely disagree with that and I am not at all surprised by the penalty it is exactly what I was expecting considering he should have been punished for it in Canada and he was already under a reprimand from Bahrain.

It is no good saying it is the teams fault and not Lewis's (Which it was.) because by saying that you are saying Formula One isn't a team sport (Which it is.) the team sport argument is the one that most people were using to say that team orders should be allowed.

A driver wins as a team and he loses as a team, so you can't have your penny and the cake.

Having said that I can completely understand why you and some others are upset. but you have to let this Lewis is being persecuted thing go it just isn't true...
 
no-FIAt-please Absolutely. I think they need a better reason than they have given for giving this penalty out considering nobody other than them (from what I have seen) ever considered this could be more than a 5 place drop.
 
Having said that I can completely understand why you and some others are upset. but you have to let this Lewis is being persecuted thing go it just isn't true...

This is actually the first time in a long time that I've even commented on a Lewis penalty to say I think it is wrong. This one just stands out to me as I've never seen such a strong penalty for a technical error.
 
If this kind of thing keeps happening he'll forever be know as "Bad luck" Lewis!

Perhaps these unlucky events are due to the fact he hasn't signed a new contract..but that could be purely coincidental.

Hope he can a least make it into the points.
 
Has McLaren appealed the penalty?

If the FIA or the race stewards think it is appropriate to explain one of the key competitors in this race from qualifying, then I won't be watching. I don't watch sports where arbitrary decisions by the authorities to exclude key competitors determine who wins. That's not sport.
 
I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the stewards deliberated which penalty to apply.
They could have removed one or both of his Q3 times, which arguably is the only advantage he had during all of qualifying.

Instead they went for the second harshest penalty, the only worse one being DSQ from the event.
 
Is the F1 show live. I'd really like to hear something from some drivers or pundits on this one, as I doubt anyone was expecting this.
 
I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the stewards deliberated which penalty to apply.
They could have removed one or both of his Q3 times, which arguably is the only advantage he had during all of qualifying.

Instead they went for the second harshest penalty, the only worse one being DSQ from the event.

This is exactly right. This is why I view this penalty as race manipulation. It's just not a logical penalty and it results in a sham of a race. He should at a minimum be starting 10th from which place even if he doesn't win, he will affect the dynamics of the race for the podium.
 
I absolutely disagree with that and I am not at all surprised by the penalty it is exactly what I was expecting considering he should have been punished for it in Canada and he was already under a reprimand from Bahrain.

Should an incident not be treated on its own individual merits without inclusion of other events? They have already been through the jury and given a penalty that was appropriate at the time. To say that his Reprimand had anything to do with this incident is just absurd. He got a reprimand for something completely unrelated to this incident at a previous event. I do however feel that the FIA/Stewards feel they got it wrong at Bahrain as many drivers are unhappy that Lewis passed off track and maybe this is why they have applied such an unjust penalty on this occasion.

Are you saying they should let other previous decisions and factors play an influence on this one because that is how I interpret it. If so then you are signing up to the fact that Lewis was harshly treated on this occasion due to previous and non-related events, which in my eyes is completely wrong.

I can see why they may take into consideration what happened in Canada 2010, but, even then the regulations say nothing about what penalty should be applied in these circumstances. There is a rule now to say it isn't allowed but there is nothing in the rule that says they will be excluded from qualifying? No? So the Stewards could use their discretion and if they felt the rule had been broken then they must have given him a penalty. They could have given him a reprimand because he gained no advantage, or they could have eradicated his Q3 lap. To just disqualify him from qualifying is completely ridiculous when he clearly set laps faster than anyone else without any intervention from this incident. I cannot see any justification or logical reasoning in their decision.

I assume now that every team knows that if you accidentally under-fuel a driver or have a fuel pump issue then you are automatically disqualified from qualifying.
 
Not surprised that they got a penalty, I think it was pretty obvious what they had done.

I suspect the penalty is so harsh because they clearly tried to fool everyone into thinking it was a fault. Absolute arses - I'm talking about McLaren not the stewards.
 
Harsh yes.But this a repeat offence.McLaren have done this before and received a lenient penalty and Hamilton kept pole position.


http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/06/12/hamilton-gets-reprimand-but-keeps-pole/
Lewis Hamilton will keep his pole position for the Canadian Grand Prix despite stopping his car on his way back to the pits to avoid running too low on fuel.
The FIA have issued a $10,000 fine for exceeding the maximum time allowed to return to the pits and given Hamilton an official reprimand.
 
bytesize Do you actually believe a team would sacrifice points worth millions of dollars for the reasons you gave?

Anyhow that is a different subject that should maybe discussed on the McLaren thread.

Not by me though..
 
Has McLaren appealed the penalty?

If the FIA or the race stewards think it is appropriate to explain one of the key competitors in this race from qualifying, then I won't be watching. I don't watch sports where arbitrary decisions by the authorities to exclude key competitors determine who wins. That's not sport.
Neither is breaking the rules..
 
That's par for the course Johnny Carwash

The FIA aren't exactly the most efficient of organisations and I fail to see how it could possibly have taken so long to look at all of the evidence.

I will say it again, it was only for Hamilton's final lap in Q3 which he benefited, so to strike all of his other times is overly harsh.
He was fastest on merit in Q1, Q2 and would have been in Q3 even with an extra 10 litres of fuel in, never mind 2.
 
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