Grand Prix 2012 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

With the flyaway races finished for the time being the F1 bandwagon rolls into Europe for the first time for the Spanish Grand Prix. Traditionally this race hasn't provided the most entertaining of races with the pole sitter more often than not going on to win the race. 2011 was no exception as pole sitter Sebastian Vettel went on to win the race, however he wasn't by any means cruising as Lewis Hamilton charged him down and almost managed to take the lead off the young German but ran out of laps as he just couldn't get into the DRS window around a track that is difficult to overtake on.

Going into this years race it is virtually impossible on who is going to win the race. So far there have been 4 different winners with Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel all having stood on the top step of the podium so far this season and there hasn't been any team which has been consistently at the front at all four races with everyone having their fair share of problems and also benefiting from other peoples problems. The only truly consistent teams seem to be in the regions of midfield with teams like Williams who are now regular contenders for points after their 2012 car is proving to be far better than their dismal 2011 effort which barely managed to get a point and they have already surpassed last years total in just 4 races which isn't a bad achievement considering both drivers weren't exactly tipped for great things this season.

The buzzword at Mclaren at the moment and particularly for Lewis Hamilton is undoubtedly pit stops after a series of poor stops destroyed his race in Bahrain and also in Australia when he got caught out by the safety car. Jenson Button has also been affected by poor pit stops which show how these aren't isolated incidents and it is something that Mclaren urgently need to address as there is virtually no chance of getting on the podium let alone winning a race if they keep botching pit stops, for example, Hamilton lost well over 20 seconds from just pit stop problems which robbed them of at the very least 4th place if not a podium but this was probably unlikely given the supreme pace of Raikkonen and Grosjean in the lotus cars.

Indeed, lotus finally managed their most consistent race of the season and showed that they have designed a very fast race car as Kimi Raikkonen very nearly won his first race since returning to the sport in only his fourth race as an aggressive race saw him get within striking distance of leader Vettel but ultimately fell slightly away and had to settle for second which was still a fantastic result and with Grosjean finishing a comfortable third things are looking up for lotus going into the European season.

Barcelona is traditionally a hot and dry race although there have been wet races before although there hasn't been a rain affected race for a good number of years now. However it will be still difficult to suggest a possible winner as it depends who was the most productive at the Mugello test which starts today (Tuesday 1st May) and teams like Ferrari are banking that the raft of updates and upgrades that they will bring to the car for Barcelona will kick start their stuttering season which would be a boost for Fernando Alonso at his home race and an improved car would easily give him a good chance of a third drivers championship as he has already won a race in the below average Ferrari that is lower points at best at this moment in time but that could change for Barcelona and they will need to otherwise heads could be rolling at Maranello if Ferrari are out of the Championship before it has barely got going.

For Galahad 's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-catalunya/
 
I'm lost for words. When has a penalty like this ever been applied before? The worst I was expecting was a 5 place grid drop? They've invented a penalty here.
 
Let's put this into perspective, Alonso's penalty for blocking Lewis in the pit lane in 2007 was a 5 place grid drop!!!!
And Mansell's penalty for ignoring a black flag was was a 1 race suspension, while Schumacher's was 3! The FIA do whatever they want at any given time. Saying this has only ever affected Lewis is disingenuous
 
The fuel issue. This was one of several examples of Lewis penalisation going where no-one had gone before:

Tech reg's 2009: Article: 6.6.2 "Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event."
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Tech reg's 2010: Article: 6.6.2 "Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event."
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Tech Reg's 2011: Article 6.6.2 "Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.

Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is
required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its
own power."*
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*Transgression invented by Lewis Hamilton, apparently (sic).

On hearing the news a conspiracy theorist was heard to say: "What infuriates us about all this is that McLaren should know by now how the wind blows. If in one season a team can have two cars infringe the fuel reg's and get away with it at the expense of "another persons" championship they should not be surprised if they themselves don't get away with it for much the same reason."
 
no-FIAt-please That is precisely what I was thinking about, and that is also what I though as soon as Whitmarsh claimed in public this was a technical problem rather than simply admitting a mistake had been made. Perhaps Hamilton's penalty wouldn't have been so harsh if Martin had come clean about it from the word go.

I think this is one story that will run and run.
In short, I think... it's just hit the fan at McLaren. :o
 
I really hope Lewis takes this well. An opportunity to show real maturity in the face of extreme adversity. I'm trying to think of the other first time penalties that have been applied to Lewis. The race win taken away in 2007 was for not waiting 3 corners to overtake Kimi after going off track. The penalty for weaving with Petrov behind him had never been applied before as there was nothing in the rules at the time of making more than 1 move. I'm sure there are more?
 
The FIA document: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/esp-document-36.pdf

The Stewards received a report from the Race Director which stated that during post-qualifying scrutineering a sample of fuel was required from car 4, however, the car failed to return to the pits under its own power as required under Article 6.6.2 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.

The Stewards heard from the team representative Mr Sam Michael who stated that the car stopped on the circuit for reasons of force majeure. A team member had put an insufficient quantity of fuel into the car thereby resulting in the car having to be stopped on the circuit in order to be able to provide the required amount for sampling purposes.

As the amount of fuel put into the car is under the complete control of the Competitor the Stewards cannot accept this as a case of force majeure.

The Stewards determine that this is a breach of Article 6.6.2 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations and the Competitor is accordingly excluded from the results of the Qualifying Session. The Competitor is however allowed to start the race from the back of the grid.
 
I don't normally like to comment on this kind of thing and be critical of teams/drivers.. but I feel really annoyed. McLaren seem determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again. The odd error in a season in bound to happen, however this is getting silly. If they want to be considered as a top team and be the best they need to take a serious look at what is going on. Only a handful of races in and we had poorly timed pit stops, messed up pit stops and not putting enough petrol in a car! Somtimes things go beyond "bad luck" - thats my rant over with :)
 
I really hope Lewis takes this well. An opportunity to show real maturity in the face of extreme adversity. I'm trying to think of the other first time penalties that have been applied to Lewis. The race win taken away in 2007 was for not waiting 3 corners to overtake Kimi after going off track. The penalty for weaving with Petrov behind him had never been applied before as there was nothing in the rules at the time of making more than 1 move. I'm sure there are more?
How about being the only driver to take a punishment for breaking a rule that wasn't re worded at him untill after the race Spa 2008
 
Honestly, you go away for a bit, and by the time you reappear Lewis and the FIA appear to have melted the Internet...

Seems pretty clear-cut to me, mistake or not- there was insufficient fuel in the car for a 1 litre sample as required by the regulations. Should be good watching Lewis carving his way back through the field though!

I will now be rooting for Grosjean and Raikkonen to go one better than Bahrain.
 
Quite frankly im disgusted at this penalty for Hamilton. I would have found it harsh for any kind of penalty to be applied that hurts his grid position when he was nearly 6 tenths ahead of 2nd position and clearly the fastest throughout the whole of qualifying. Why on earth would McLaren purposely under-fuel him for a tiny gain of say 1 tenth, with the prospect of him losing pole. It was obviously an error and he categorically gained no advantage from it.

OK so lets say they want to be really harsh and give him a penalty. Why not give him a 5 place grid penalty, eradicate that lap, so only his first in Q3 counts, or at the very worst, just eradicate his Q3 lap so he starts from 10th. To exclude him from qualifying all together is just the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. He has just put in one of the best qualifying performances of his life and then he starts from the back of the grid. It is just sickening.

So this is Hamilton's luck this season:-

Australia: Pits then safety car means he loses 2nd position.

Malaysia: Pit stop error costs him net lead at the time and also very debatable / poor strategy calls from the team.

China: Grid penalty for a gear box problem.

Bahrain: 2 horrendous and 1 poor pit stop cost him a chance of 4th place.

Barcelona: After a phenomenal qualifying performance, he gets dropped to the back of the grid.
 
I don't get what is clear cut of it. This is the first time a penalty has been applied for a incident like this. How can we go from no penalty prior to now this being an exclude-able offense? When you consider some of the penalties handed out for different things, this just seems ludicrous to me, but there you go.
 
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Karthikeyan has been allowed to race due to his practice times, do Hamilton will start 24th. Congratulations to Pastor Maldonado in his Williams, although the penalty for Hamilton was incredibly harsh. A 5-10 place grid penalty was to be expected, but exclusion from qualifying? Too harsh, although this is the second time Hamilton has had a lack of fuel in his car. Anyway, if Mclaren wanted to cheat (the impression I got from the FIA ruling) then they would have told Hamilton to carry on to try and cover up their misdemeanour, in my opinion. As this seemed to be a genuine mistake, not full-blown deliberate cheating like Schumi in Monaco 06 (seemingly), the exclusion from qualifying is incredibly harsh.
 
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