Grand Prix 2012 European Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Valencia........ :bored:

Even Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are more exciting in comparison. Valencia is the only grand prix on the calendar that I genuinley do not look forward to. It's dull, boring and hasn't provided an interesting race at all since its inception on the F1 calendar in 2008. Thankfully it won't be a regular feature in the future as it will be alternating with Barcelona in the future.

Going into the Grand Prix Lewis Hamilton is back as the Championship leader after becoming the 7th driver to win in 7 races with victory in the Canadian Grand Prix. After missing out on the podium in recent races he was back with vengeance after fighting back from starting second and being third with 10 laps to go but thanks to fresher tyres he made easy work of Vettel and Alonso in the latter laps who fell away after a gamble to one stop failed. In the end Roman Grosjean and Sergio Perez finished on the podium and it is testament to the unpredictably of 2012 that it wasn't the first time either of them have been on the podium this season.

From race to race no team has been consistently at the very front, in Spain it was Williams, in Monaco it was Red Bull and in Canada it was McLaren. Both Ferrari and Lotus have probably been the most consistent package over recent weeks but not enough to win races with podium places the highest they can manage, but considering the start to the season Ferrari made, that probably isn't a bad thing and Alonso is only 2 points off the championship leader with world champion Vettel just one point behind in third.

It's a complete reversal of 2011 as this time last year Hamilton left Canada with a world of problems after a DNF which involved a collision with team mate Button who went on to win one of the best races of his career passing Vettel on the last lap. But 12 months later Hamilton won the race with Button finishing a lapped 16th. What's worse for the 2009 champion is that was on merit as well and not down to any car failures or pit problems, it marks a horrid fall from grace after winning the opening race in Melbourne and an early run of podiums but now he is struggling to even get into Q3 and convert that into points finishes. Button appears clueless as to where the problem lies and it may not be a short term fix as the car isn't slow as Hamilton is currently proving. It could be already over as far as Button's title hopes are concerned as he is currently 43 points behind Hamilton and has roughly half the points total.

It is also interesting to note that Button was further behind the leader last season and he was second in the championship, while at the moment he lies in 8th behind both Lotus drivers who are the only front running drivers yet to win a race (excluding Schumacher) and having come close in Bahrain and Spain they will want to be the next winners and take the total to 8 winners in 8 races and with both Raikkonen and Grosjean closely matched it's hard to say who is the more likely. But it's Grosjean's form which is the most surprising, a lot of people questioned why he was given the driver role given the way he was outperformed in 2009 and a lot of people said he would be outraced by the returning Finn, but after 7 races he is only 2 points behind and that is despite several first lap incidents where he has been the innocent part in some cases but not others (Malaysia). With the pendulum swinging from race to race it is hard to predict who will have the upper hand in the Spanish heat.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/valencia-street-circuit/
 
A Valencia race that wasn't dull! Huzzah! Am I dreaming?

My summary:
Great Drives: Alonso, Webber, Schumacher
Hard Luck: Vettel, Grosjean, Hamilton
Job Centre Looms: Maldonado, Vergne, McLaren pit crew/equipment

What can you say about Alonso, I think "you make your own luck" would be apt. Awesome drive through the field and never fails to take an opportunity. Got to feel sorry for Vettel, Grosjean and Hamilton, who did nothing wrong and lost bucket loads of points because of unreliability in either engines or brains. Vettel and Grosjean can at least take heart that they probably were in the hands of the two quickest cars on the grid, something that Hamilton and McLaren can't say because not only did they lack pace but they had worse tyre wear than those around them as well. It was great to see Schumacher and Webber scything their way up the field at the end too.
 
He held off Raikkonen longer than he should have. With two laps to go Josh, and let's not forget he was successful until that point, why not defend. Maldonado makes mistakes easily all by himself and could have easily taken a corner too wide and lost the gap. So why should Hamilton give up?

Yeah he held up Raikkonen but he probably damaged his tyres while doing so, and Maldonado was what, more than 2 seconds behind and then in one or two laps he was on his gearbox? Even if Maldonado did go wide he would have been on his gearbox again in no time. He really did not have a chance to hold his position and I think some people are really blowing this way out of proportion, either because it's Hamilton or because it's Maldonado I'm not sure, but Hamilton did not do the smartest thing, simple as that.

Alonso let people past in Canada when his tyres were dead and ended up collecting a couple of points and Hamilton chose not to and ended up with no points.
 
I agree that Hamilton could have avoided that incident. Perhaps he had faith that his competitors know how to race a formula one car. Misguided perhaps, but why should he expect differently? You cannot make allowances for particular drivers based on thier inability to control themselves or thier car. This is the highest level of motor racing and these are supposed to be the best drivers in the world.
 
In Canada, the drivers on worn tyres like Alonso didn't have any hope of defending because the guy behind could simply drive around them in the DRS zone, that doesn't apply here. Hamilton defended fairly, Maldonado ended up off the track and then drove in to him. I don't see how anyone can blame Lewis and the suggestion that he shouldn't bother to defend is ridiculous.
 
A hot head rarely wins anything - whether it be Hamilton's or Maldonado's. They should 'expect' what they are likely to give and take the consequences.
 
Correct but after his botched pitstop he had a chance of a podium and a win, I don't think he a chance of holding his position at the time of the incident.

Anyway, different people, different views and no one's view will get changed so I'm just going to agree to disagree if nobody minds.
 
Josh and when Hamilton knew he had no option with Kimi, he conceded. With Maldonado he defended successfully.
You'll also find the drivers behind Alonso in Canada picked their moments and didn't risk fucking up their own and his race.

However you look at it, he had no right to t-bone Hamilton even if he did feel like he morally should have been ahead, he would never have been able to race Kimi so what was the point, why didn't he wait until an easier place to pass and then he would have been on the podium?
 
I don't think Maldonado t-boned Hamilton on purpose to be honest... Just a stupid mistake.

And I'm not suggesting Maldonado is blameless or had even the tiniest of rights to t-bone Hamilton so I'm not sure why you're suggesting that (unless I'm misreading your post).
He went for a gap that was there, and then misjudged the kerb and t-boned Hamilton. I've seen drivers do dumber things.
 
Yeah he held up Raikkonen but he probably damaged his tyres while doing so, and Maldonado was what, more than 2 seconds behind and then in one or two laps he was on his gearbox? Even if Maldonado did go wide he would have been on his gearbox again in no time. He really did not have a chance to hold his position and I think some people are really blowing this way out of proportion, either because it's Hamilton or because it's Maldonado I'm not sure, but Hamilton did not do the smartest thing, simple as that.

Alonso let people past in Canada when his tyres were dead and ended up collecting a couple of points and Hamilton chose not to and ended up with no points.


but there was only 2 laps left.if there had of been more maybe he would have just let mal past.
im not suprised lewis's own team have blamed lewis tho,saying he was wreckless.
theyve made none of the excuses theyve been making for button.
and at the end of the day they shouldnt be pointing the finger at lewis when they have cost him more points this season.
also it seems like they screwed with hamiltons set up here to help button,and both drivers suffered during the race with tyres and lacked real pace.
 
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