Grand Prix 2012 European Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Valencia........ :bored:

Even Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are more exciting in comparison. Valencia is the only grand prix on the calendar that I genuinley do not look forward to. It's dull, boring and hasn't provided an interesting race at all since its inception on the F1 calendar in 2008. Thankfully it won't be a regular feature in the future as it will be alternating with Barcelona in the future.

Going into the Grand Prix Lewis Hamilton is back as the Championship leader after becoming the 7th driver to win in 7 races with victory in the Canadian Grand Prix. After missing out on the podium in recent races he was back with vengeance after fighting back from starting second and being third with 10 laps to go but thanks to fresher tyres he made easy work of Vettel and Alonso in the latter laps who fell away after a gamble to one stop failed. In the end Roman Grosjean and Sergio Perez finished on the podium and it is testament to the unpredictably of 2012 that it wasn't the first time either of them have been on the podium this season.

From race to race no team has been consistently at the very front, in Spain it was Williams, in Monaco it was Red Bull and in Canada it was McLaren. Both Ferrari and Lotus have probably been the most consistent package over recent weeks but not enough to win races with podium places the highest they can manage, but considering the start to the season Ferrari made, that probably isn't a bad thing and Alonso is only 2 points off the championship leader with world champion Vettel just one point behind in third.

It's a complete reversal of 2011 as this time last year Hamilton left Canada with a world of problems after a DNF which involved a collision with team mate Button who went on to win one of the best races of his career passing Vettel on the last lap. But 12 months later Hamilton won the race with Button finishing a lapped 16th. What's worse for the 2009 champion is that was on merit as well and not down to any car failures or pit problems, it marks a horrid fall from grace after winning the opening race in Melbourne and an early run of podiums but now he is struggling to even get into Q3 and convert that into points finishes. Button appears clueless as to where the problem lies and it may not be a short term fix as the car isn't slow as Hamilton is currently proving. It could be already over as far as Button's title hopes are concerned as he is currently 43 points behind Hamilton and has roughly half the points total.

It is also interesting to note that Button was further behind the leader last season and he was second in the championship, while at the moment he lies in 8th behind both Lotus drivers who are the only front running drivers yet to win a race (excluding Schumacher) and having come close in Bahrain and Spain they will want to be the next winners and take the total to 8 winners in 8 races and with both Raikkonen and Grosjean closely matched it's hard to say who is the more likely. But it's Grosjean's form which is the most surprising, a lot of people questioned why he was given the driver role given the way he was outperformed in 2009 and a lot of people said he would be outraced by the returning Finn, but after 7 races he is only 2 points behind and that is despite several first lap incidents where he has been the innocent part in some cases but not others (Malaysia). With the pendulum swinging from race to race it is hard to predict who will have the upper hand in the Spanish heat.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/valencia-street-circuit/
 
So far not a single racing driver or pundit has attributed any blame to Lewis and all have attributed the blame to Maldonado. Well, I'm not surprised because those are my thoughts exactly and it seems pretty bloody obvious, too.

So what is the we rule of thumb? If Maldnado is coming up from behind, get out of the way? What a fantastic reward for being a wreckless driver. Maybe I'll go and crash into everyone for the rest of my karting season. Next year everyone will know I'm a lunatic and will let me win. I can't wait to start lifting the trophies. Watch out boys, here I come!

:givemestrength:
 
Josh 2 laps to go on a circuit that is difficult to overtake on. That's why.

Really? I've seen plenty of overtakes today :thinking:. Especially with tyres as shot as his were he had no chance.

no-FIAt-please Alonso was in a position to be hit by other cars at times, other cars just didn't hit him. Massa was totally blameless today. Not sure if you've even seen the incident or if you just hate Massa or anything but what you're saying is nonsense.
 
Yeah I guess Lewis should have backed out at this point......

Just look at how ridiculous that would have been.

It's a joke to suggest that Hamilton should have ceded the spot when this was their track positioning.

You've really gotta question Maldo's mental capacity here

No one's talking about ceding at that point and I'm pretty sure you're aware of that.
 
Ceding at (before) the corner not in the middle of it. Please not that I'm not trying to defend Maldonado as I do believe he is ultimately responsible but Hamilton had no chance of holding that position.
 
I think tbh, that there were a number of overtakes made pretty cleanly at the same point of the circuit, it would be interesting to see the replays of some of those to compare car position etc.

Just seen on the forum that Maldonado has just entered the stewards office. Could be interesting.
 
Josh Ok we have a difference of opinion, thats fine and I don't hate Massa. While Alonso has taken two victories and has 111 points Massa has only achieved a 6th and has just 11 points. Massa put in another poor performance today, these things don't happen to Massa for no reason. While I agree that the fault lies with Kobayashi for their collision today there can be no doubt that even without that it was still a very weak performance in comparison to his team-mate. Today was just another example of how inept Massa is.
 
Sure Hamilton had no chance of holding the position but if Maldonado wasn't a lunatic then Lewis could have given the position without slowing down to let him pass. Why compromise your own lap and give more ground to the driver behind Maldonado. This is a motor-race.
 
So far not a singe racing driver or pundit has attributed any blame to Lewis and all have attributed the blame to Maldonado. Well, I'm not surprised because those are my thoughts exactly and it seems pretty bloody obvious, too.

So what is the we rule of thumb? If Maldnado is coming up from behind, get out of the way? What a fantastic reward for being a wreckless driver. Maybe I'll go and crash into everyone for the rest of my karting season. Next year everyone will know I'm a lunatic and will let me win. I can't wait to start lifting the trophies. Watch out boys, here I come!

:givemestrength:

I see what you're saying, and I totally agree the collision was Maldonado's fault, but Lewis had a chance to not put himself in that position. Other drivers in the race realised their tyres were shot and let people go. Schumacher definitely did while on the primes at one point. Lewis was only going to get a few points by giving Maldonado the place, but that's better than none.
 
Back
Top Bottom