Grand Prix 2012 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Racking up the air miles now

Going into the third race of the 2012 season and it is still unclear where everyone lies in true race pace over a normal dry race without the intervention of a safety car apart from that McLaren have done the best job of the teams with Red Bull and Mercedes not too far apart but Mercedes seem to be struggling with higher levels of tyre degradation compared to the other front runners.

Despite all the highly publicised problems at Ferrari, Fernando Alonso currently leads the Championship after a 5th place in Australia and an against the odds victory in Malaysia where the rain early on managed to put Alonso in the lead when the others struggled. However this doesn't mean things are rosy in Maranello as when the track dried up Alonso started to fall back and was being hunted down by none other than Sergio Perez in the Sauber who was closing in rapidly on the Spaniard only to make a minor mistake with a couple of laps to go which ruined his chances of a maiden victory, but he was understandably delighted to finish in second place. Lewis Hamilton showed that he is a more rounded driver than he was in 2011 with a second consecutive third place showing he has the maturity to make the best of a bad job when circumstances were against him when he was caught out by the pit stops (like he was in Australia) to not make any mistakes and bring the car home in third place for 15 points which could be crucial at the end of the season.

On the other hand, team mate Jenson Button had a characteristically poor race after running second early on, but after outbraking himself he broke his front wing trying to overtake an HRT who was running there on position after an early gamble for wets paid off as when the red flag fell, Narain was running in 10th place which shocked fans worldwide. The red flag was also (im)famous for the introduction of gazebos all down the grid, something previously pioneered by Mercedes in Canada last season.

2012 has seen (so far) probably one of the most competitive midfields in many seasons with Force India, Sauber, Williams and Toro Rosso all pushing the top teams for points and Sauber have already claimed a podium through Perez and it could be said that on pure one lap pace, most of these teams are as quick as if not faster than Ferrari, certainly faster than Felipe Massa who is really coming under pressure for his seat after 2 mediocre performances so far while Alonso continued to drag the car to places where it shouldn't really be.

Looking ahead to China and it has been a track which has favoured McLaren in recent years with Lewis Hamilton winning in 2008 and 2011 and Jenson Button winning in the rain affected 2010 race. Hamilton should have won in 2007 but famously threw it away in the pitlane after running wide on very used tyres when he was in a position to win the Championship, something with now Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen took advantage of to win the race and eventually steal the Championship in Brazil.

China will also be an importunity to be the first true comparison of Sky and BBC as it is the first race that will be shown live on BBC and it will certainly be very interesting to see where the two broadcasters shape up over a full race weekend and it will show to people in their own minds which one is better and it is pretty clear that it certainly won't be a clear cut thing and will be down more to personal preference than the overall package compared to the other.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/shanghai-international-circuit/
 
....The problem in the early stages, for anyone trying to pass the Mercs, might be that if they don't get past in the first two laps, the now indisputably legal DRS W-Duct device could help keep the German pair ahead....

But the leader can't use DRS except when lapping cars so how will the double DRS help?
 
But the leader can't use DRS except when lapping cars so how will the double DRS help?

Indeed.

Commentating during practise, James Allen suggested that if the DRS activation zone was longer on the straight, the driver being passed would be able to get his place straight back with his own DRS. Er ... no, he would not. In that situation his DRS would not have been enabled in the detection zone.

That will be the case with the Merc's trying to hold onto their grid place advantage. It will only be possible if they are not in the lead but can stay within one second of the guy who is. In that scenario they may be able to fend off an attack for a few laps but I think it is inevitable that they will fall back down the field as the race progresses. I predict they will be in the midfield battle by the first pit round of pit stops.
 
People are going on about the race pace (Lack of.) of the Merc's yet I don't see how you can possibly judge it as they haven't had a clean race yet.

well lets forget Sepang

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Schumacher jumped to 3rd on the start but he could not keep up with Button and Hamilton and it was clear he held up Vettel until his breakdown although Vettel was having difficulty passing him and made a few errors as well..once Vettel cleared Schumacher he was as fast as the Mclarens

Now lets look at Rosberg who had 4th and lost out to Vettel on lap 2 I think rather tamely as Schumacher would have squeezed Vettel a bit more.

Once Vettel was free Rosberg was not able to maintain pace and held up Webber until the pit stop in which then Webber was suddenly free and got clear of Rosberg when he pitted

so based on that account it does appear Mercs still need to find race pace balance by not destroying their tyres too quickly which is greatly for quali
 
Indeed.

Commentating during practise, James Allen suggested that if the DRS activation zone was longer on the straight, the driver being passed would be able to get his place straight back with his own DRS. Er ... no, he would not. In that situation his DRS would not have been enabled in the detection zone.

That will be the case with the Merc's trying to hold onto their grid place advantage. It will only be possible if they are not in the lead but can stay within one second of the guy who is. In that scenario they may be able to fend off an attack for a few laps but I think it is inevitable that they will fall back down the field as the race progresses. I predict they will be in the midfield battle by the first pit round of pit stops.

James allen is right if you think back to Abu dhabi when there was two drs zones it was pointless passing pn the long straight as you were repassed at the next long straight with another drs
 
Erm... by allowing the two Mercs to constantly overtake and re-overtake each other at the two DRS zones?
Says he, backtracking desperately to try and cover his mistake... Phew, think no-one noticed! :embarrassed:
Ah ha! Like the Japanese 125cc GP team-mates were very good at doing back in the '90s ...

Considering I posted this ...

http://cliptheapex.com/threads/backmarkers.4806/page-4#post-121394

... it was a bit dumb of me too, not to think of that scenario in my post #202 :embarrassed:
 
Erm... by allowing the two Mercs to constantly overtake and re-overtake each other at the two DRS zones?
Says he, backtracking desperately to try and cover his mistake... Phew, think no-one noticed! :embarrassed:

Do you really think that Schumacher is going to let another car pass him, especially a team mate?
 
Almost forget to post my rain prediction. No rain Saturday and Sunday. Hopefully I can make it 3&0 this weekend. I can be like your control predictor Jos. :p
 
Looking good for Mclaren and the Mercs here. Quali is going to be epic with the favourite out of the running for pole position, even if as a fan I still hope he is 1st in Quali. Outside of Lewis though, there seems to be a number of candidates for starting P1 on grid.
 
I don't understand. Why do so called McLaren fans, knowing Hamilton has a grid penalty, put Schumacher on pole. Where's the belief in your other countryman. Button was nearly half a second quicker than Schumacher in 3rd practice.:(
 
Well Button has already used 2 sets of options in Q2 so he doesn't seem too confident here. I think Raikkonen might be on pole.

Also, I think Button is now on his 3rd and final set of new options so he won't have new tyres for Q3. Vettel out in Q2! Embarrassing but at least he'll have new tyres for the race.
 
I don't understand. Why do so called McLaren fans, knowing Hamilton has a grid penalty, put Schumacher on pole. Where's the belief in your other countryman. Button was nearly half a second quicker than Schumacher in 3rd practice.:(
Well Im a lewis fan first,McLaren second. Id rather have the Mercs in front of Lewis than Button because they'll be slower in the race. And Button has not done too well in Q2.
 
Well Button has already used 2 sets of options in Q2 so he doesn't seem too confident here. I think Raikkonen might be on pole.

Also, I think Button is now on his 3rd and final set of new options so he won't have new tyres for Q3. Vettel out in Q2! Embarrassing but at least he'll have new tyres for the race.
I think he just did an out lap with one set in Q1, probably using the same set for the first run in Q2.
 
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