Grand Prix 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Anyone fancy a protest?

Controversially it was announced that the Bahrain Grand Prix would go ahead despite opposition from almost everyone and the events that were happening in Bahrain both last year and again recently haven't seen the postponement of the 2012 race like the 2011 event. Reaction to the news has been mixed but it seems that the decision is final and there will once again be F1 cars in the Gulf state. The last race was held at the start of the 2010 season and by all accounts was the dullest race of the season with durable tyres and little overtaking with the only action at the front being a problem with Sebastian Vettel dropping him from first to fourth giving Fernando Alonso a win on his Ferrari debut with Felipe Massa finishing second, how that must feel a long time ago now for both the drivers and the team. Thankfully the painful extended modifications on the track have been abandoned for this year and the 'old' spec layout used from 2004-9 will be used which wasn't actually to bad and with DRS, KERS and the Pirelli tyres should provide for close racing and numerous overtakes.

Nico Rosberg will go into the Grand Prix weekend on the back of his best weekend in the sport. After taking his maiden pole by a margin on Saturday he successfully converted this into a maiden victory by winning by over 20 seconds from the Mclaren pair of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton. The Mclarens battled various traffic issues and pit stop problems to claim the podium places in a titanic scrap where, at one point, only a handful of seconds seperated 2nd-10th. It is surprising that with so many cars in very close proximity for over half of the race that there was no crashes and barely any contact but there were cars flying about (in Webber's case literally) as cars hit the cliff with Kimi Raikkonnen being the primary case has he slipped from second to 14th as the tyres gave up on him and he even lost 8 places on one lap and that was without any spins or damage.

Over at Red Bull it is a complete contrast to 12 months ago as Sebastian Vettel struggles to get on the podium let alone win races while Mark Webber currently holds the upper hand in the team by leading 3-0 in qualifying and being higher in the drivers championship. This current superiority was emphasised late on in the Chinese Grand Prix when he drove around the outside of Vettel down at turn 14. Without the EBD the Red Bull has lost it's superiority over the rest of the field and this season is a true test of Vettel's racecraft and a true evaluation of where he stacks up as one of the great world champions and at the moment I would say he was a 6-7/10 as he has made some good overtaking moves and apart from a puncture in Malaysia has always moved forward on the grid from his starting position, but then that wasn't hard to do in China considering he started 11th on the grid, his lowest qualifying position since 2009 when Brawn were running riot.

The problems continue at Ferrari as Fernando Alonso fought the car to finish in 9th which could have been higher but for a combination of tyre of degradation and traffic at the wrong times that cost him time, but this is still a lot stronger than Massa in the sister Ferrari who continues to show that he shouldn't be a Ferrari driver after a mediocre race to 13th, he is showing almost no signs of improvement and he is rarely threatening the points these days let alone the podium and the championship challenging days of 2007 and 2008 must feel like a long time ago, if there isn't any improvement surely this will be his final year in a Ferrari seat.

So far 2012 has seen 3 different race winners in 3 races with Lewis Hamilton leading the championship from team mate Jenson Button despite Button winning the Australian Grand Prix which shows that Hamilton is getting back his consistency which won him the 2008 championship and shows that he has got over the demons of 2011 which is only a good thing for the championship fight with numerous people already showing that they are capable of fighting for the championship and today perhaps Rosberg threw his hat into the ring as a possible contender, it is certainly has the potential to be one of the closest championships in recent years and makes a change from the Red Bull dominated 2011 with Vettel steamrollering the field.

For Galahads brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/bahrain-international-circuit/
 
ExtremeNinja

I suppose I assume that shortly, they'll figure it all out and things will settle down into a recognisable order. If it stays like this all season then I share your feelings about it being a lottery - lots of fun though!

Perhaps having a car (and driver) relatively adaptable to all conditions is part of the answer. The European circuits will be much more of a likeness in terms of temperature, probably, and with less dust and dirt off the racing line.
 
Traditionally different cars use their tyres in different ways and it is becoming increasingly obvious that it a team gets it right due to luck or by design they gain a massive advantage with this years Pirelli's as they seem to have such a narrow window of operation.

I think once the teams get to grips with this then the status quo will be restored and races will become more predictable, but I'm not sure if this will be a good thing or a bad thing, yet instinctively I don't think the tyres should have so much influence on race results..
 
I like Rosberg but what he did today was dangerous. I thought the whole point of changing the rules this year regarding defending was to stop the sort of thing we saw Schumi do last year but Rosberg IMHO has just got away with the same thing today. What about the 'leave a cars width' part of the rule ? Rosberg was so far over at one point his right hand wheels were on the white line.
The fact that Rosberg has got away with it today is a green light for all the other drivers to do the same from now on - until of course there is a big accident :(
 
I think we saw a rare show of frustration from Nico today. He must have come into the weekend thinking - "Yes! I am finally a contender" - and then found himself back in the natural order whilst other cars had stepped forward and thougt - "Oh bloody hell, it was a one-off. Well damned if I'm going to go backwards after its taken so long to get forward".
 
The stewards have more information than us most of us thought the lewis incident was worse but it turned out the Alonso one was, so obviously lewis was farther behind than he looked we just cannot make a judgement from what we saw on the the telly and have to trust the stewards as they have spoken to the drivers and have all the intel.

Like i said before he did not break the one move rule as he only moved once, also both lewis and alonso had the option to go the other side of him as there was plenty of room there..
 
That is true bro but what sport always gets it right football ref's a renowned for wrong calls. at least rugby has video replays they are only human and humans make mistakes not that I think they did in this case, at the end of the day the ref's decision is final and that is the way we should see it in F1.

Obviously there is nothing wrong with debating when they get it wrong or when we think they get it wrong or there wouldn't be any need for a forum..
 
This is only conjecture on my part, but I believe that what we saw was Nico predicting how Lewis and Fernando would attempt their passes. His prediction will have been based on his past knowledge of how they would make their moves and how he would make the same attempts. He will therefore have pulled across to the right at the earliest moment on entry to the straight. For their part, both Lewis and Alonso will already have committed themselves to following in Nico's wake to pick up the draft and most likely assumed (as intimated by Alonso in his radio comm's) that Nico would leave a cars width to his right and that they would be able to slip past.

The significant difference between the two situations was that Lewis kept his foot on the gas whilst Alonso backed out of his attempt. In Lewis's case that was probably the safest thing for him to do rather than slam on the anchors on a dusty part of the track and even more so once on the dusty run-off. In either case both Lewis and Fernando were committed to their trajectories and jinking sufficiently to avoid running into Nico's rear end was a close call to make. Bear in mind that in both cases we are talking about the decisions and maneouvres that occured within a time-frame of one or two seconds. Blink twice and one would have missed them.
 
Disappointing race for me.

1. Don't like the tyres shredding visibly, leaving their debris all over the track and cars alike, and degradation so high that it forces drivers to cruise rather than race. For the first time in a long time I find myself agreeing with Michael Schumacher.
2. Whatever the stewards say, Rosberg moved across suddenly and dangerously twice, each time forcing another driver off the track. If what he did is not a sanctionable offence, worthy even of a reprimand, then what does a driver now have to do to be penalised - kill someone? For the first time in a while I find myself agreeing with Fernando Alonso.
3. Disappointed with Mclaren. Where has their race pace gone? And why does Button consistently get to pit first, whether he is ahead on the track or not? And when will they sort their wheel changes out?
4. Disappointed for Raikkonen. Superb effort from 11th on the grid though; well done to both 'Lotus' drivers.
5. Disappointed to see the 'finger' again so soon (but well done Seb, great drive).
 
Did someone mention Win Finger?

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That is true bro but what sport always gets it right football ref's a renowned for wrong calls.
The difference is that football referees have to make a split-second decision there and then, based on one viewing of an incident in real time. Race stewards have plenty of time to look at several video views at full speed and slo-mo, telemetry readings, interviews with the drivers etc. etc. and they still get it wrong too often.

The other thing is, these days they seem scared to take the responsibility to investigate and penalise within the race, too often using the 'cop-out' option of investigating incidents after the event. This used to happen really only when an incident occurred too near the end of the race; now it seems to be becoming routine.
 
Rosberg had two wheels off the track in both manoeuvres against Hamilton and Alonso. It seems clear to me the aim was to keep the car behind by any means necessary and with total disregard for the rules or safety. A tad hypocritical that he'd go over the radio and complain about Hamilton overtaking him off the track when he had two wheels off it to fend him off. That was out of order but at least we now know he's no longer mr clean who doesn't do dirty. Charlie is once again guilty of doing his old mate a favour.
 
The difference is that football referees have to make a split-second decision there and then, based on one viewing of an incident in real time. .
True but there are two lines men and a forth official to call upon for opinions.

Race stewards have plenty of time to look at several video views at full speed and slo-mo, telemetry readings, interviews with the drivers etc. etc. and they still get it wrong too often..
They only get it wrong in your and other peoples opinion but they have more evidence than us so they probably get it right 99.9% of the time, lets face it we are all biased if the verdict doesn't go the way we would want.

The other thing is, these days they seem scared to take the responsibility to investigate and penalise within the race, too often using the 'cop-out' option of investigating incidents after the event. This used to happen really only when an incident occurred too near the end of the race; now it seems to be becoming routine.
I mentioned this earlier on in this thread, they were being criticized for being to quick with judging incidents last year and now they are taking too long, a happy medium would be nice..
 
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