Grand Prix 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Anyone fancy a protest?

Controversially it was announced that the Bahrain Grand Prix would go ahead despite opposition from almost everyone and the events that were happening in Bahrain both last year and again recently haven't seen the postponement of the 2012 race like the 2011 event. Reaction to the news has been mixed but it seems that the decision is final and there will once again be F1 cars in the Gulf state. The last race was held at the start of the 2010 season and by all accounts was the dullest race of the season with durable tyres and little overtaking with the only action at the front being a problem with Sebastian Vettel dropping him from first to fourth giving Fernando Alonso a win on his Ferrari debut with Felipe Massa finishing second, how that must feel a long time ago now for both the drivers and the team. Thankfully the painful extended modifications on the track have been abandoned for this year and the 'old' spec layout used from 2004-9 will be used which wasn't actually to bad and with DRS, KERS and the Pirelli tyres should provide for close racing and numerous overtakes.

Nico Rosberg will go into the Grand Prix weekend on the back of his best weekend in the sport. After taking his maiden pole by a margin on Saturday he successfully converted this into a maiden victory by winning by over 20 seconds from the Mclaren pair of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton. The Mclarens battled various traffic issues and pit stop problems to claim the podium places in a titanic scrap where, at one point, only a handful of seconds seperated 2nd-10th. It is surprising that with so many cars in very close proximity for over half of the race that there was no crashes and barely any contact but there were cars flying about (in Webber's case literally) as cars hit the cliff with Kimi Raikkonnen being the primary case has he slipped from second to 14th as the tyres gave up on him and he even lost 8 places on one lap and that was without any spins or damage.

Over at Red Bull it is a complete contrast to 12 months ago as Sebastian Vettel struggles to get on the podium let alone win races while Mark Webber currently holds the upper hand in the team by leading 3-0 in qualifying and being higher in the drivers championship. This current superiority was emphasised late on in the Chinese Grand Prix when he drove around the outside of Vettel down at turn 14. Without the EBD the Red Bull has lost it's superiority over the rest of the field and this season is a true test of Vettel's racecraft and a true evaluation of where he stacks up as one of the great world champions and at the moment I would say he was a 6-7/10 as he has made some good overtaking moves and apart from a puncture in Malaysia has always moved forward on the grid from his starting position, but then that wasn't hard to do in China considering he started 11th on the grid, his lowest qualifying position since 2009 when Brawn were running riot.

The problems continue at Ferrari as Fernando Alonso fought the car to finish in 9th which could have been higher but for a combination of tyre of degradation and traffic at the wrong times that cost him time, but this is still a lot stronger than Massa in the sister Ferrari who continues to show that he shouldn't be a Ferrari driver after a mediocre race to 13th, he is showing almost no signs of improvement and he is rarely threatening the points these days let alone the podium and the championship challenging days of 2007 and 2008 must feel like a long time ago, if there isn't any improvement surely this will be his final year in a Ferrari seat.

So far 2012 has seen 3 different race winners in 3 races with Lewis Hamilton leading the championship from team mate Jenson Button despite Button winning the Australian Grand Prix which shows that Hamilton is getting back his consistency which won him the 2008 championship and shows that he has got over the demons of 2011 which is only a good thing for the championship fight with numerous people already showing that they are capable of fighting for the championship and today perhaps Rosberg threw his hat into the ring as a possible contender, it is certainly has the potential to be one of the closest championships in recent years and makes a change from the Red Bull dominated 2011 with Vettel steamrollering the field.

For Galahads brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/bahrain-international-circuit/
 
Fernando again showing he can drag a dog of a car into a position it probably doesn't deserve to be.

Really. He has certainly demonstrated that many times before - but today?

His teammate was faster for most of the race, suggesting that Alonso did nothing out of he ordinary with that car today. Good race by all means but I can't agree with your point.
 
They weren't down to one guy one was a jack problem (The rear jack man) one was the wheel didn't go on to its locating lugs properly (The guy putting the wheel on) and one was a crossed thread the guy some people on here are blaming...
 
I dont think anyone's blaming anyone, just trying to interpret how McLaren see it. Its a bit poinless apportioning blame, they just need to sort the mess out.
 
Mephistopheles

I am afraid you are incorrect.

The jack problem was that they had to lift the car again to put the second wheel nut on which obviously was a knock on effect of the gunner problem.

The two issues were cross-threaded wheel nut and then misaligning the location pins on the wheel nut.
 
The first problem was a failure to line up the drive pegs. The 2nd was cross threaded nut and the jack man dropping the car which then had to be lifted for them to take the Xthreaded nut off and fit a new one on a spare gun.
 
I don't think anyone has vilified anyone, just pointed to where the problem is. Nothing I have read has been an attack on the individual who made the mistakes.
 
I really enjoyed this one, I must admit. I've not known a season like it for unpredictability for a long time. What changed for Lotus (and McLaren) between qualifying and the race? Not only the same compound, but the same set of tyres, and totally different performance. Is it all about temperature? And what happened for Red Bull between Shanghai and Sakhir. Ah, so many questions! Excellent.

Both the Lotus drivers looked ominous throughout and I wasn't sure Vettel would be able to hold Kimi off, but to his credit, and not for the first time, he had his rivals covered. I didn't expect di Resta's gamble to pay off, so congratulations to him. Raspberry for McLaren for repeating familiar failings.

Ferrari had better have an incredible upgrade package up their sleeves, or I think the best they can do this season is fifth. In the Constructors', at least.
 
Surely if Rosberg did nothing wrong then Hamilton should be penalized for overtaking off the track, I'm not saying he should per se but surely those are the rules and should be implemented, otherwise what is the point in having rules...
 
Galahad

What are your thoughts on the tyres?

The unpredictability does mix things up, in my opinion, but in a lottery kind of way. I don't think that we are seeing the best cars or the best drivers win from week to week. The teams and drivers seem to be lucking into opportunities for good results rather than calculating and creating the opportunities. I mean this only to an extent, but a far greater extent than I can fully enjoy.
 
No you're right but the application of this rule has never been enforced really, not how it should be. Where the driver has effectively shortened the circuit it is penalised otherwise (even where there is a clear slingshot) I've never seen it enforced, only that drivers are given warnings if they continue to do it.
 
Ferrari had better have an incredible upgrade package up their sleeves, or I think the best they can do this season is fifth. In the Constructors', at least.

I do fear you are right with that one..... and I fear even more that we don't have any credible upgrade coming soon. :givemestrength:

I'm not having a good 2012 so far ..... today LFC 0-1 WBA :givemestrength::givemestrength::givemestrength:
 
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