Grand Prix 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Anyone fancy a protest?

Controversially it was announced that the Bahrain Grand Prix would go ahead despite opposition from almost everyone and the events that were happening in Bahrain both last year and again recently haven't seen the postponement of the 2012 race like the 2011 event. Reaction to the news has been mixed but it seems that the decision is final and there will once again be F1 cars in the Gulf state. The last race was held at the start of the 2010 season and by all accounts was the dullest race of the season with durable tyres and little overtaking with the only action at the front being a problem with Sebastian Vettel dropping him from first to fourth giving Fernando Alonso a win on his Ferrari debut with Felipe Massa finishing second, how that must feel a long time ago now for both the drivers and the team. Thankfully the painful extended modifications on the track have been abandoned for this year and the 'old' spec layout used from 2004-9 will be used which wasn't actually to bad and with DRS, KERS and the Pirelli tyres should provide for close racing and numerous overtakes.

Nico Rosberg will go into the Grand Prix weekend on the back of his best weekend in the sport. After taking his maiden pole by a margin on Saturday he successfully converted this into a maiden victory by winning by over 20 seconds from the Mclaren pair of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton. The Mclarens battled various traffic issues and pit stop problems to claim the podium places in a titanic scrap where, at one point, only a handful of seconds seperated 2nd-10th. It is surprising that with so many cars in very close proximity for over half of the race that there was no crashes and barely any contact but there were cars flying about (in Webber's case literally) as cars hit the cliff with Kimi Raikkonnen being the primary case has he slipped from second to 14th as the tyres gave up on him and he even lost 8 places on one lap and that was without any spins or damage.

Over at Red Bull it is a complete contrast to 12 months ago as Sebastian Vettel struggles to get on the podium let alone win races while Mark Webber currently holds the upper hand in the team by leading 3-0 in qualifying and being higher in the drivers championship. This current superiority was emphasised late on in the Chinese Grand Prix when he drove around the outside of Vettel down at turn 14. Without the EBD the Red Bull has lost it's superiority over the rest of the field and this season is a true test of Vettel's racecraft and a true evaluation of where he stacks up as one of the great world champions and at the moment I would say he was a 6-7/10 as he has made some good overtaking moves and apart from a puncture in Malaysia has always moved forward on the grid from his starting position, but then that wasn't hard to do in China considering he started 11th on the grid, his lowest qualifying position since 2009 when Brawn were running riot.

The problems continue at Ferrari as Fernando Alonso fought the car to finish in 9th which could have been higher but for a combination of tyre of degradation and traffic at the wrong times that cost him time, but this is still a lot stronger than Massa in the sister Ferrari who continues to show that he shouldn't be a Ferrari driver after a mediocre race to 13th, he is showing almost no signs of improvement and he is rarely threatening the points these days let alone the podium and the championship challenging days of 2007 and 2008 must feel like a long time ago, if there isn't any improvement surely this will be his final year in a Ferrari seat.

So far 2012 has seen 3 different race winners in 3 races with Lewis Hamilton leading the championship from team mate Jenson Button despite Button winning the Australian Grand Prix which shows that Hamilton is getting back his consistency which won him the 2008 championship and shows that he has got over the demons of 2011 which is only a good thing for the championship fight with numerous people already showing that they are capable of fighting for the championship and today perhaps Rosberg threw his hat into the ring as a possible contender, it is certainly has the potential to be one of the closest championships in recent years and makes a change from the Red Bull dominated 2011 with Vettel steamrollering the field.

For Galahads brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/bahrain-international-circuit/
 
jenov2003

You sad that there have been too many incidents to put it down to or guy. Given that all three incidents have happened at the hands of one guy I automatically and logically assumed that there were other incidents that you were refering to.

So what you are actually saying is, this guy has messed up three times in two races so it can't be his fault. Right?

I am interpreting your response as best I can, but would like to point up that it was you who put the figure on the number of incidences.

Unlike you, I am logical (I hope) and non-automatic.
 
Alonso's unsafe release was the first incident cleared.

There has been no direct comment on Hamilton in the Rosberg incident but it would appear he too won't be penalised.
 
ExtremeNinja if you've never been in a job where the available tools prevented you from performing to your abilities you are a luckier man than I

Well OK. It's possibly a dodgy wheelgun, although there has been no mention of such. The wheel-guns are the same all around the car. Maybe they have put a right handed mechanic where they should have had a left handed one?

All I was arguing is that saying there have been too many incidents for it to be one guy's fault, as jenov2003 did, doesn't make sense. It can only be the fault of three things. The wheel-gun, the operator of the wheel-gun or the person who appointed the operator of the wheel-gun. The third case then points to back the second.

So from where I see it, that makes it a 50-50. If the wheel-gun s in good order, and there is no suggestion that it isn't, then we are left with one option which is the operator.

So, until somebody tells me definitively that the wheel-gun has a fault, I am laying the blame wit the operator. I do't think there is any scapegoatism in that either. It's very simple deduction.
 
Actually, therefore, I think you, Jen and myself might be in agreement then. I don't think any of us think that one guy is to blame, there'll be equipment, design, process and people all responsible between 0% and 100%.

I for one hope we'll never fully know and the team remain the same shape.
 
Is it the same people who change the wheels for both drivers? I thought that it was normal in F1 for the driver's team to do it ; if so it would look as though two different wheelmen have had the same problem which makes a design problem more likely.
 
So, until somebody tells me definitively that the wheel-gun has a fault, I am laying the blame wit the operator. I do't think there is any scapegoatism in that either. It's very simple deduction.

You are totally dismissing the possibility that there might be a technical/manufacturing problem - so if MW is saying it wasn't anyone's fault (and I didn't see the interview, btw), what is the problem?
 
@Jenov He was hinting at human error by the guy on that wheel whilst at the same time saying we're in it together, we'll have a debrief etc etc. He praised the mechanics and said how stressful it was for them and that they volunteer to do it. He wasnt having a go, but the two isuues were different problems. He aslo said that if theyd had the Ferrari/ Mercedes type gun then the problems would have been worse.
 
You are totally dismissing the possibility that there might be a technical/manufacturing problem - so if MW is saying it wasn't anyone's fault (and I didn't see the interview, btw), what is the problem?

You said this and quoted a post I made where I did entertain the possibility of a technical fault which makes your response quite difficult to understand. Anyway, none of us know. The odds are definitely stacked towards it being human error though. Especially given that McLaren have reported that they have been doing some investigation into thier pitstops over the past week, which would strongly indicate that they would have done some very rigorous checks of equipment.

Let's wait to hear what comes out of the McLaren camp's PR machine and then we can decide whether to believe it or not.
 
I quite enjoyed that race, plenty of passes and a great result for Lotus.

Shame for Lewis but that car didn't have the pace of the Red Bull or the Lotii, Fernando again showing he can drag a dog of a car into a position it probably doesn't deserve to be.
 
Just finished watch the race on BBC (and what crap editing it was). A good drive from Vettel, never lost control of the race and defended well against Raikkonen. Both Lotus drivers had a good race with an excellent first podium for Grosjean and Kimi's first podium since the 2009 Italian Grand Prix, looks like Lotus' gamble on these two might just be starting to pay off. Rosberg gets a solid result even if he was too agressive for my liking. I don't know what happend to McLaren, they seemed to have no pace at all with both Raikkonen and Grosjean climbing all over the gearboxes of Button and Hamilton respectively. Then to top it off Button has a mechanical retirement and Hamilton loses over 10 seconds in the pits, which without he probably would have finished at least 5th. di Resta had a great race, matching his best ever result. The wily dog that is Alonso is only 10 points off the championship lead somehow, he always seems to drag a bad car up the grid, another good race for him. Although I'm not a fan of his I'm happy for Massa today, he was closer to Alonso, a few more days like this and he may yet keep his Ferrari seat for 2013.
 
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