Grand Prix 2011 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Who was saying 2011 was boring?

It's amazing how a few non Red Bull dominated races can change the complexion of F1 and suddenly it's exciting again. However before we get too carried away, Vettel still holds a massive points lead and despite a poor (by his standards) race in Germany, he is still hot favourite as the F1 circus rolls into Hungary.

Hungary isn't known for it's exciting races (apart from 2006 possibly thanks to the weather) due to the dust bowl and lack of overtaking oppurtunities, but if 2011 is anything to go by, the phrase 'no overtaking' has been thrown out of the dictionary.

Despite recent set backs Red Bull will be favourites to bounce back at a circuit which suits them to a tee with weather conditions that will be beneficial to Vettel who struggled with grip at the chilly Nurburgring. However Ferrari and Mclaren have shown that they won't just stand still and let Red Bull walk to the championship with Hamilton and Alonso winning in the last 2 grand prix.

Indeed Mclaren seemed to be in trouble going into the German GP as they were off the pace of the Red Bulls and Ferraris, but in Hamiltons hands the car made a miracle recovery to not only take a front row position ahead of Vettel, but take the teams third win of the season after very stiff competition from Alonso and Webber. Is this the start of the established teams fightback?

Even beleagured Ferrari driver Massa has showed improved form recently with two 5th placed positions in the last 2 races but they could have easily been 2 fourth places had it not been for a strong defensive rearguard from Hamilton in Silverstone and a pit stop mess up in Germany which enabled Vettel to get past on the last lap. As Ferrari plan to take the fight to Red Bull, they will need Massa to take points off Vettel and Webber if Alonso is to have any chance of a miracle fightback.

Mercedes are in a league of their own at the moment, but not in a good way. They are faster than the likes of Renault and Force India, but slower than Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren and the 7th/8th place almost has a Mercedes name penned in if there aren't any incidents, (which knowing Schumacher is rare)

Renault have dropped off badly after a strong start to the season and after a crash from Heidfeld and a poor race from Petrov, they now find themselves picking up the scraps in the midfield for 5th place in the championship as Mercedes start to pull away from the black and gold outfit, maybe a tweak of the exhaust might bring them better fortunes in Hungary.

One person who drove a great race in Germany but hardly got any recognition was Adrian Sutil who drove probably the best race of the German drivers. 6th place after a strong qualifying will no doubt relieve the pressure that had been building on him and will show to Di Resta that he won't have things his own way at Force India and that Hulkenberg might have to wait a while for a race seat.

No doubt that there won't be any uncertainties about the weather this weekend as more often than not Hungary provides a race weekend with 30 degree sunshine with not a cloud to be seen, apart from the 2006 race which was notable for Jenson Buttons first win in the Honda.

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Good start for Mclaren this weekend fastest in both practice sessions. But i'm not gonna get ahead of myself as theirs still a long way to go this weekend. Reckon RB could have been sandbagging in Practice so i'm expecting them to speed up tomorrow.
 
I have learned from experience over the last 10 races (and last season) to totally ignore all the practice sessions, and even Q1 and Q2.

When it gets to Q3 Red Bull will turn it on again.[/quot

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Maybe so but it's the race that matters and we know both McLaren and Ferrari sre significantly more competitive in race trim.
If drivers from either team qualify less than 4 tenths off rhe fastest Red Bull, then chances are they'll be more than a match during the race.
 
Just watched FP1 and FP2 highlights and I noticed Chandhok was commentating. Does this mean he's back in the 3rd driver spot with Trulli taking his seat back?
 
Very interesting titbit mentioned at the start of Q3 - Red Bull mechanics broke the garage curfew (they can only stay to a certain time each night - but they can break it a certain amount of times per season) and the the mechanics were replacing the rear end of Seb V's car :unsure:
 
Very interesting titbit mentioned at the start of Q3 - Red Bull mechanics broke the garage curfew (they can only stay to a certain time each night - but they can break it a certain amount of times per season) and the the mechanics were replacing the rear end of Seb V's car :unsure:
Well, whatever it was, it seems to have worked for him..
 
It did look good for Red Bull. Webber wasn't far away either, never put a good lap together though.

There's a question mark over Hamilton though as he had brake problems when he put the super-soft tyres on. So McLaren might be a bit closer than it would appear from the times, and maybe ahead of Ferrari in qualifying at least.
 
It's definitely going to be an interesting GP. The Big 3 seem pretty evenly matched on race fuel and they're all going to need at least 3 stops. Love to see squabbling at the front. :thumbsup:
 
I don't get why the 5 live team are saying Red Bull's race pace yesterday was omninous. Hamilton looked the fastest over a long run and his tyres showed no sign of dropping off as he set the fastest time of anyone on a super-soft tyre, on heavy fuel, on the last lap of his run, the 13th lap was a 26.790. On average, from looking at a graph comparison between the top drivers, he was consistently faster than all other drivers on heavy fuel when he didn't get caught up in traffic.

At most tracks Red Bull look miles ahead in race pace on Friday and then are matched by Ferrari and/or McLaren in the race. Seeming as they actually looked behind on Friday then I'd expect McLaren especially to hold an advantage over them on race pace.

Saying this, it looks like they've found pace overnight, although, Hamilton's time in FP2 yesterday is still better than what Vettel set today in FP3. The McLaren just didn't look as hooked up today, with Lewis especially. He is reverting back to the brake configuration he used in FP2 yesterday (just seen tweeted).
 
It's definitely going to be an interesting GP. The Big 3 seem pretty evenly matched on race fuel and they're all going to need at least 3 stops. Love to see squabbling at the front. :thumbsup:

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One thing that seems reasonably certain on the evidence so far is that Mercedes won't be anywhere near among them.
 
I don't really understand the brake issues they're on about, the Hungaroring isn't meant to be one of those tracks that's particularly hard on brakes?...
 
I don't really understand the brake issues they're on about, the Hungaroring isn't meant to be one of those tracks that's particularly hard on brakes?...

You're right. I think it's more an issue of something being faulty, rather than the brakes being worn.
 
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