Grand Prix 2011 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's a long summer and the key discussions aren't about the F1.

As we are in the middle of the summer break, the SKY/BBC deal continues to take precedence over any on track action we saw at Hungary, which is a shame as we saw a cracker of a race where Jenson Button eventually won his second race of the season ahead of Sebastian Vettel who extended his lead at the top of the championship yet again and surely it takes a miracle for anyone to overtake him now with less than half the races to go.

However with Belgium coming closer on the calender, it seems as if Red Bull has lost the dominance it held over the first half of the season with McLaren appearing to have the best all round package with 4 wins now this year with 2 for Button and 2 for Hamilton. Ferrari aren't far behind and are perhaps the best team in warm conditions but that remains to be seen after a series of damp and cold races. However it would still be a foolish person to bet against Red Bull going into the Belgian Grand Prix where the fast sweeping corners and technical hairpins will no doubt play to their advantage.

Spa Francorchamps is regarded (quite rightly) as the best driver circuit on the calendar with the famous circuit having many variations from its original form to the current version which was last changed in 2006 to incorporate the new pit area and final chicane, the final chicane wasn't popular as both fans and drivers miss the challenging bus stop chicane and the 'new' pit lane which can cause problems.

The grand prix has been famous for it's unpredictable weather with violent storms and half the track being dry and the other wet at the same time and completely random showers, the big example was 2008 where a late shower caught out the entire field and cost Kimi Raikkonen (and eventually Hamilton) the win. In 1998 torrential rain caused one of the worst starts in F1 history where half the field was wiped out on turn 1, eventually (after a restart) Damon Hill won for Jordan in a 1-2 with Ralf Schumacher second, Michael Schumacher famously nearly started a fight with David Coulthard after crashing into him trying to lap him.

Michael Schumacher has an impressive record at this track, winning his first race at the track in 1992 and taking several wins at the track with his last coming in 2002 where he took his seventh world championship. However at the moment it is unlikely that he will add to his list of wins with the Mercedes well off the pace of the leading trio of Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull.

Mercedes might find themselves behind Force India at the race as the track suits them down to a tee, in 2009 Fisichella took a surprise pole position and then took second place just finishing behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (who always seemed to win at Spa when he was driving there)
Sutil and Di Resta have shown impressive pace recently, with both achieving season bests at the last few races and are closing the gap to the flagging Renault team who have really lost performance since the start of the season with Heidfeld and Petrov dissapointing.

On a personal level I am really looking forward to this race as I have weekend tickets and will be at Pouhon all weekend to bring you the best coverage from the track, (better than these Sky lot anyway)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
I disagree with people a lot Il_leone, including Hamilton fans. But your posts are filled with venom, out of context, factually incorrect and antagonistic. Hypocritical I know given what I have just written but you are SO predictable.

I happen to agree with you regarding the stewards and I'm not going to hold the Mansell accountable, he doesn't have veto. But all this crap about weaving, seriously just give it a rest.

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Thats your problem not mine because as much I support Hamilton if he was out of order then there is no excuse . In this case its difficult to say but the onboard camera showed he was concentrating ahead and did not notice Kobayashi was there so its a mistake but not a deliberate one

Why is my posts filled with venom and antagonistic .

I am saying it could be the view of both Sauber and Kobayashi. Where did I say Hamilton deliberately weaved although it does look similar to the movements he made which got him the penalty in Malaysia
AS far as it is for drivers

" You can make one move across the track to defend your line and one line of entry into a corner"..where it gets complicated is what is then considered weaving
 
Sly, come on you know better than to argue with evil over the bearded one!

I would like to reiterate that I am not annoyed that Kobayashi didn't get penalised, I am annoyed that it doesn't seem to matter who was where, what, how, in these incidents, Hamilton is always to blame. If it were reversed he'd be looking for a gap that wasn't there, or had no business being the slower car with damage putting his car on the outside line and expecting another driver to give up their racing line for him.

I'd love all of those racing incidents of Hamilton's to have been judged as racing incidents, but they aren't. It's one rule for him and another for everyone else. It's not on, not at all.

Why is he obliged to give drivers room, but no other driver is obliged to give him room?
Why is he not allowed to get on the racing line when behind, but not allowed the right of way when in front on the racing line?
 
Sly, come on you know better than to argue with evil over the bearded one!

I would like to reiterate that I am not annoyed that Kobayashi didn't get penalised, I am annoyed that it doesn't seem to matter who was where, what, how, in these incidents, Hamilton is always to blame. If it were reversed he'd be looking for a gap that wasn't there, or had no business being the slower car with damage putting his car on the outside line and expecting another driver to give up their racing line for him.

I'd love all of those racing incidents of Hamilton's to have been judged as racing incidents, but they aren't. It's one rule for him and another for everyone else. It's not on, not at all.

Why is he obliged to give drivers room, but no other driver is obliged to give him room?
Why is he not allowed to get on the racing line when behind, but not allowed the right of way when in front on the racing line?
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He was not to blame yesterday with the Maldonado incident.

As i'd say if it was the other way round Kobayashi would have been deemed at fault and the only person people will look at and think he should know better is Michael Schumacher because he did that to Massa last year and got away with it

Lewis is allowed to defend his line but what he can't do is deliberate force someone off the track which is clearly is not in this case because the camera angles show he was focusing ahead to the right and not on his left.
 
@ Il_leone, fair do's, I wasn't impressed at your response to Hammydigrassi which is why I made that comment. I shouldn't have done so.

Just a quick question, did Kobayashi forget about his brakes? Plenty of time I thought for him to perhaps execute that option rather than thinking his only other course of action was to go onto the grass.
 
Micheal Schumacher's Start Onboard
Nice :thumbsup:
Why is he obliged to give drivers room, but no other driver is obliged to give him room?
Why is he not allowed to get on the racing line when behind, but not allowed the right of way when in front on the racing line?
Well said Hamberg.

The hypocrisy surrounding Hamilton and his detractors is perhaps the most unpleasant thing about F1 today.
 
Fenderman, you posted a video here which didn't look that clear, here's one with an overhead view (slightly


Pause it a 6-7s Kobayashi looks to be more than half a car length alongside Hamilton, that's all I am saying, not blaming anyone.
 
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