Grand Prix 2011 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's a long summer and the key discussions aren't about the F1.

As we are in the middle of the summer break, the SKY/BBC deal continues to take precedence over any on track action we saw at Hungary, which is a shame as we saw a cracker of a race where Jenson Button eventually won his second race of the season ahead of Sebastian Vettel who extended his lead at the top of the championship yet again and surely it takes a miracle for anyone to overtake him now with less than half the races to go.

However with Belgium coming closer on the calender, it seems as if Red Bull has lost the dominance it held over the first half of the season with McLaren appearing to have the best all round package with 4 wins now this year with 2 for Button and 2 for Hamilton. Ferrari aren't far behind and are perhaps the best team in warm conditions but that remains to be seen after a series of damp and cold races. However it would still be a foolish person to bet against Red Bull going into the Belgian Grand Prix where the fast sweeping corners and technical hairpins will no doubt play to their advantage.

Spa Francorchamps is regarded (quite rightly) as the best driver circuit on the calendar with the famous circuit having many variations from its original form to the current version which was last changed in 2006 to incorporate the new pit area and final chicane, the final chicane wasn't popular as both fans and drivers miss the challenging bus stop chicane and the 'new' pit lane which can cause problems.

The grand prix has been famous for it's unpredictable weather with violent storms and half the track being dry and the other wet at the same time and completely random showers, the big example was 2008 where a late shower caught out the entire field and cost Kimi Raikkonen (and eventually Hamilton) the win. In 1998 torrential rain caused one of the worst starts in F1 history where half the field was wiped out on turn 1, eventually (after a restart) Damon Hill won for Jordan in a 1-2 with Ralf Schumacher second, Michael Schumacher famously nearly started a fight with David Coulthard after crashing into him trying to lap him.

Michael Schumacher has an impressive record at this track, winning his first race at the track in 1992 and taking several wins at the track with his last coming in 2002 where he took his seventh world championship. However at the moment it is unlikely that he will add to his list of wins with the Mercedes well off the pace of the leading trio of Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull.

Mercedes might find themselves behind Force India at the race as the track suits them down to a tee, in 2009 Fisichella took a surprise pole position and then took second place just finishing behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (who always seemed to win at Spa when he was driving there)
Sutil and Di Resta have shown impressive pace recently, with both achieving season bests at the last few races and are closing the gap to the flagging Renault team who have really lost performance since the start of the season with Heidfeld and Petrov dissapointing.

On a personal level I am really looking forward to this race as I have weekend tickets and will be at Pouhon all weekend to bring you the best coverage from the track, (better than these Sky lot anyway)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
We saw the front of his car bouncing almost as if there wasn't an effective suspension setup. maybe his car was damaged when he swerved into Maldonado. So maybe he suffers a double penalty for the incident, losing pole position and the penalty thats surely on its way
 
All in all, I think I am convinced based on all this evidence that McLaren had the pace to be on pole today with either Button or Hamilton had things panned out a little more normally for them.
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According to most pundits, McLaren should have been on pole and/or won several of the last few races.

There always seems to be a reason why they don't quite fulfil their potential.

FWIW, I happen to think Vettel would still have had it, even if Hamilton's car wasn't damaged.
 
Interesting grid...

Shame for Schumacher, out straight awa from no fault of his own

Both Ferrari's seem to be way off the pace in qualifying, Massa did well out of the two, two races out-qualifying Alonso, is his luck turning? doubt it
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As for the Maldonado incident, Maldonado is quite clearly in the wrong, but I am sure I saw Hamilton turn in twice, the first time he jinked in and backed out, then the second time he turned in and then Maldonado does the same (more violently). I honestly think that both drivers share responsibility for the contact between them.

Bruno Lalli boy seems to be doing well...we will see race day.

Terrible for Alonso, great effort from Alguersuari but it was a mixed day so we don't know, both Toro Rosso's looked fast, Moose though got caught out by the track changing rapidly at the end of Q2.

And Jenson Button.... "WHAT IS HE DOOOING??!!!"
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If, but, maybe...
According to most pundits, McLaren should have been on pole and/or won several of the last few races.

There always seems to be a reason why they don't quite fulfil their potential.

FWIW, I happen to think Vettel would still have had it, even if Hamilton's car wasn't damaged.

Yes but this time, at least on Lewis' part, it was not his or McLaren's fault. Even taking the damage out of consideration, had his car not of had to undergo repairs and checks then he would have gone out earlier and got another lap in. The times were flying down with each lap and I imagine a large part of that was the tyres getting into the optimal range, just as was the case at Brazil last year. I may be wrong, as you say, nothing is 100% a formality, whatever the scenario, but I think they had a chance. I also think Button seemed bang on it all Friday and today and so he could have been even faster than Hamilton.
 
One thing to note here tranquility is that Hamilton's fastest trip through the speed trap came on his fastest lap. Seb's did not. And Lewis still lost 4 tenths to Vettel in Sector 1 on their final laps.

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Very interesting. How did you manage to screen capture that when all you get to see now is the final positions and best sector times?

It is strange as to why Hamilton would be 3 - 4 tenths down in sector 1. Maybe we'll find out before the race tomorrow from someone or through an on-board lap comparison by Martin Brundle.
 
Apparently, Hamilton, Massa and Vettel all set fastest times during the yellow flag so should all have 5 place grid penalties.

I wonder if that may happen?

How have you found that information out? It's useful to post a source when you say something as interesting as that lol
 
Davidson is far from Hamilton's biggest fan so I tend to ignore anything he says involving Hamilton.

I kind of disagree here. I have never heard Davidson say anything about Hamilton that is very negative. He is always full of praise on commentary and usually gets a bit over excited when he sees Hamilton pulling off a special maneuver or fighting the car.
 
Very interesting. How did you manage to screen capture that when all you get to see now is the final positions and best sector times?

It is strange as to why Hamilton would be 3 - 4 tenths down in sector 1. Maybe we'll find out before the race tomorrow from someone or through an on-board lap comparison by Martin Brundle.

Oh you didn't know, I'm the special guest at Woking's Mission Control this weekend. I told them to call Button in. :oops:

No, actually I just downloaded the Live Timing feed. Here are the sector times from their second to last laps. The Red Bull appears to be very slippery with their new rear wing. You can also see how Lewis and Seb put together mighty middle sectors on their final runs compared to this lap.

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Oh you didn't know, I'm the special guest at Woking's Mission Control this weekend. I told them to call Button in. :oops:

No, actually I just downloaded the Live Timing feed. Here are the sector times from their second to last laps. The Red Bull appears to be very slippery with their new rear wing. You can also see how Lewis and Seb put together mighty middle sectors on their final runs compared to this lap.

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Very, very interesting. I didn't know you could do this. This would have answered so many of my questions in the past. It's a shame you cannot get the times to 3 decimal places rather than 1, but that is still very useful. You are quite right, Vettel and Hamilton pulled out stonkers in sector 2 on their last lap. I wonder why Hamilton was so slow in sector 1 though! It's really bugging me.
 
I stand by my comments on Davidson, I've heard way too many not so subtle digs during practice commentary.

In other news, both HRT drivers have been cleared to race, despite being outside the 107% time.
 
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