Current Red Bull Racing

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  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Yes the engine was awfully down on power , unreliable and poor on fuel but I don't think the infrastructure set up between Mclaren and Honda was going to work thinking it was still the 80's and early 90's where exclusive engine deal worked

    Unlimited testing is a thing of the past

    Was it not long ago that Red Bull wanted a Honda engine but Mclaren were too scared because they felt it will show up how bad their chassis was

    It is Honda's gain and Renault's loss because at least Team Enstone realised their chassis is not as good as Red Bull's with the same motor in the back
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    The difference with Honda this year and Honda last year can be summed up two words 'mule car'. I've been banging on about it for ages but it's pretty obvious. Honda were playing by the rules until they realised no one else was. In the winter they ran a mule car and low and behold the reliability improved beyond measure. Now they can concentrate on the speed.

    I'm under no illusion that Honda will catch up to the Merc and Ferrari in the next few years but eventually maybe. For a team like Red Bull who have been compensating for a lower power engine for a decade it makes sense to take a works engine and compensate for that instead whilst they sort it.

    It's logically a good move and one I'd make. However it could go horribly wrong. I have a good feeling about it though and F1 needs Honda.
     
  4. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    I think it is excellent. Honda have obviously brought the 'mule' along but in a sense they're running a 'mule' team in Formula One this season. Red Bull were always going to park a prospective engine supplier at Toro Rosso until they were up to standard. For this reason, Red Bull are the ideal partner for an engine-maker without other teams.

    There's also a good possibility that Red Bull actually - not just talking about it or claiming it but actually - have the best chassis in Formula One. They're the one team that, over the last 10 years, has ameliorated a poor engine and succeeded in spite of a power deficit. They'll mask rather than accentuate the engine's deficiencies.

    It's a brilliant move for Honda, it could be great for Red Bull and it'll release Renault from a marriage that just wasn't working! And it could be great for F1 to have a potential four 'works' teams with different engines (Mercedes, Ferrari, RBH and Renault).
     
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  5. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Although there is a distinct possibility they'll ditch then for Aston Martin engines in 2021 if Aston decide to bite the bullet.

    Aston Martin Red Bull Honda is a bit of a mouthful by the way.
     
  6. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    I don't think Aston Martin have the infrastructure or finances to sustain an F1 engine programme.
     
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  7. Titch

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    Which is a real shame.
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Honda need to succeed in F1 to help break the Ferrari - Mercedes stranglehold. If they do then other engine manufacturers will want to F1 which is only good especially teams like Force India and Williams could do with an engine manufacturer

    Otherwise they will all take the cheap route and do Formula E
     
  9. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Did anyone else think the lederhosen the team were wearing helped Red Bull to the win? I think the sight of all those knobbly knees put the others off!
     
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  10. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    No.
     
  11. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    There were signs of lederhosen at Mercedes too. That went badly.
     
  12. Grizzly

    Grizzly Bear Contributor

    I see Red Bull have revived the relentless slagging-off of the Renault power unit (which they don't have in their car of course, because their's is powered by 1600 hybrid clock springs). They've even shown their joker-card following the British GP: F2 engine!

    I just can't shake the feeling of deja vous...

    Honda - beware!
     
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  13. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Well the Honda engine was relatively slow down the straight at Silverstone as well

    Silverstone is now a power track and Red Bull are whining about a lack of power is holding them back again.. lets what happens if Honda donlt make the deficit
     
  14. Titch

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    It looks as though Red Bull want Sainz to replace Dan.
     
  15. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Where's that coming from Titch? I've heard a lot of journalists saying he should but nothing coming out of Red Bull other than Max saying he doesn't want him. I'd have thought they would have announced him straight away if that was the case.
     
  16. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Am I the only one who reads article like this and thinks "What the **** has it got to do with the Vestappen camp"?

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-opposes-sainz-reunion-at-red-bull/

    The more you see stuff like the this the more you realise that Frank Williams was right. Treat the drivers like the rest of the hired help as another will be along shortly.
     
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  17. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Max doesn't want to risk being shown up by Sainz. Right now he's enjoying the fact that he's the 'special one' at Red Bull, maybe he's scared Carlos will come in and make him not look so special after all. A lot of drivers like to choose who they have as their team mate if they can, it shouldn't be their decision though in my opinion.
     
  18. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    I still believe that Max will turn out to be a re-run of Gilles V: fun to watch, wild at times, and never a Champion. I think RB will rue the loss of DR.
     
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  19. Titch

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    RasputinLives I can’t find the article now, it was alongside a report on how Nicki Lauda was doing after his operation. But search as I might, I can’t find it again. It certainly isn’t showing up anywhere else. So Fake news, I guess.
     
  20. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    I have feeling that Verstappen is turning into Mansell. They have similar driving Kamikaze style. When he attacked Vettel, Max was applauded, but Seb was mad.
    Mansell moved into overtaking situations when he wasn't always under control, relaying on the other car to manage the way out without destroying equipment. Once in a US race Fittipaldi got furious with him, accusing Mansell from using Fittipaldi's car as substitute for Mansell's shot brakes. That was not the only isolated incident, and Max sometimes does the same (in my dilettante's opinion).
     
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  21. The Artist.....

    The Artist..... Champion Elect

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    Apparently, the number of engine component changes that Toro Rosso have had to make this year have nothing to do with the reliability of the Honda engine...

    Verstappen: Honda's rate of F1 engine component changes misleading

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
     

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