Current Red Bull Racing

Discussion in 'Teams' started by FB, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    The problem is, his age notwithstanding, this is his THIRD full-time season, and he doesn't seem to be learning much. So far this season, he has had a prang of some kind in EVERY weekend!! How is that making progress?

    If one has to use his age to excuse his errors, then, IMO, that is a strong argument that he was brought in to F1 too soon.
     
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  3. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    a few interesting thing from Rosberg on sky as he was as harsh as i was. & then simon lazenby said he has time because he is red bulls boy & are right behind him "well they have to be running out of patience, that's clear, he costing himself a lot of points. i hope that Max really thinks about it. He needs to change his approach. If he wants to ever win the world championship he needs to start learning.”

    i am a fan of Verstappen, he 1 of the best drivers to watch usually, but this season 6 races in. does not look good
    Aus - Spun trying to overtake magnussen in frustration
    Bah - He could been on podium, but got overtake done then squeezed Hamilton. getting a unnecessary puncture
    China - should've won, but careless in overtaking hitting both Hamilton & Vettel
    Baku - let his ego get in the way, when Riccardio was clearly the faster driver, doing some very questionable move before the inevitable crash
    Monaco - when he should coasted to Qualy with 10mins left, takes too much risk & ruins his whole weekend before its begun, loses 2nd at least

    with his 3rd place in spain. ive calulcated that he could've been on 104pts. instead he's on 35
     
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  4. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    If he’d have qualified and run second, they’d have got him past Ricciardo as soon as his power unit cut out. Given no incidents, he had the win as a cert.

    Schumacher used to time his amateur hour moments largely for the races he wasn’t going to win anyway - even though he had parade-lap-Minardi moments they were often overshadowed by brilliance elsewhere.

    Max has missed two very presentable chances this season.
     
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  5. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    I completely agree, far too soon - so soon, in fact, that there isn't really anyone to compare him with. I don't see him ending up as a De Cesaris, let's say, but three years in F1 doesn't necessarily confer maturity - particularly since he appeared to get very little constructive criticism from the people who matter (Horner, Marko, daddy) for his mistakes in years 1 & 2.
     
  6. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    I think if you asked Montoya, he might suggest he has been taking tips from Jos.
     
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  7. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    Red Bull Honda it is then. I think this is a good move.
     
  8. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    The link for anyone interested:

    Red Bull drops Renault for 2019 Honda Formula 1 engine deal

    Somewhat ironic that a team who whined and bitched their way out of an engine deal picks up an engine deal with a company that was dropped by a team that whined and bitched their way out of the deal.

    Watch the faces at McLaren drop even further when firstly Alonso buggers off and then the Red Bull Honda rips up the track while the McLaren Renault goes further backwards.
     
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  9. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    Yes it could very well turn out that McLaren have done the donkey work for Red Bull. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Red Bull have obviously seen something positive at Toro Rosso.
     
  10. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    F1's worst kept secret and the fact is Honda will power 4 cars so their chances of progression is much greater given its the same team

    Apparently Hartley and Gasly gave positive feedback about the upgraded engine . All they needed to do now is convince Honda to operate from Milton Keynes right on Red Bull's door step

    Mclaren did the donkey work because they were not willing to share their work with other teams to help resolve the problems more quickly and it turned into an expensive PR disaster.
     
  11. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    And that was thanks to Ron Dennis.

    There were a number of us on here who said at the very beginning of the McLaren Honda relationship that the decision not to allow the engine to be used by another team was a bloody stupid one. You reap what you sow.
     
  12. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Did you see something the other day that Martin Whitmarsh has offered to come back to McLaren "to sort things out".

    Laugh, I nearly wet myself.

    Sorry, off topic.
     
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  13. Angel

    Angel Pole Sitter Supporter

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    So will the fact Red Bull are now going to take the Honda engine for 2019 make Daniel Ricciardo want to stay or be more determined to leave?

    I wish them luck, given the performance of that engine so far I can't see it as a step forward yet, it might be one day, but I doubt it will be in 2019 somehow.
     
  14. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    For years RBR have been compensating for a lack of top end engine power by having the best aero man in the business. If Honda continue to develop in both power output and reliability then, with Newey still involved, they will still be a top three team, easily.

    Remember, there are a few aero tweaks coming in for 2019.
     
  15. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Definitely too much information.
     
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  16. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Honda will get it right they could have just walked away from F1 given such a hammering by Mclaren in the public eye

    The deal makes sense there are more gains for both Red Bull Corporation and Honda , you've got 4 cars using a Honda engine . There is a junior team that can blood young drivers which both sides will support unlike the Honda and Super Aguri set up.

    Honda have an office in Milton Keynes which I see on the train and that is on the door step of Red Bull so the infrastructure is there to succeed

    Red Bull found building its own engine expensive requiring another 250 people which is bizarre given they have 700 already working on the car and they are not short of money

    Red Bull also saw that Renault will always make improvements to Team Enstone rather than itself

    If Honda can get this right next season we will see other engine manufacturers coming into F1 ... the rumour appears to be Porsche and I bet Mclaren are hoping they will come in


    cider_and_toast :spank:>:( to Ron Dennis . Its funny how he has not been blamed for the mess Mclaren are in
     
  17. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    I read somewhere that the Honda upgrade for Montreal put it on a par with Renault (for power, at least). If true this decision was a no-brainer.
     
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  18. Titch

    Titch Champion Elect Premium Contributor

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    I remember when Honda was an engine that everyone wanted, what happened ?
     
  19. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Basically Honda have made progress far more quickly than Renault can to please Red Bull but what do you expect when Team Enstone is the factory team and not Red Bull?

    Also Renault have a working relationship with BP where as Red Bull have Exxonmobil fuel so will never get No 1 treatment
     
  20. Il_leone

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    You have to say Williams might have missed the boat given rumours suggested Williams Honda partnership was on the cards and got themselves ahead of Red Bull in the queue
     
  21. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    They got into bed with Ron Dennis.
    We kept being told it was the engine for the last few years but McLaren are still shit... I stand by what I said way back when: it wasn't just the engine.

    As for Red Bull... Hold on to Danny, because Honda need honest but positive feedback. That was where Alonso got it so very wrong.
     
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