Discussion in 'Drivers' started by HammydiRestarules, Jul 7, 2011.
Only if we can also have a 'soggy bottom' tag for drivers who are under-baked?
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Felipe Massa happy to turn teacher for Williams team-mate Lance Stroll
He has been beaten by nearly every teammate he has had with the exception of Villeneuve (2005) and Raikkonen (2008) and now he's struggling to hold his own against a rookie.
before he started in F1?
I'm missing something.
gethinceri That’s the point. I don’t know how he got into F1 and how he managed to remain in the sport after being bulldozed by Alonso. He’s always been very inconsistent and crash prone. In addition to that he has become even slower than in previous seasons. Stroll is making leaps and bounds against a driver with 16 seasons under his belt.
Williams and Massa seem to be in a natural synchronicity when it comes to decline of form.
God bless them that Stroll is heading in the opposite direction.
Rutherford I can understand your view on not wanting Massa in F1 anymore but I afraid the bit about him 'not deserving to ever be in F1 in the first place' is one of the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read on this forum.....and cookinflatsix used to post on here.
Please go and watch Turkey 2007, follow by Turkey 2008.
Yesterday, I was really annoyed with Massa and thus, very harsh. He isn't pulling his weight anymore and earlier in the week he came out saying Williams have to prove to him how much they want him. I wonder, if he has had a look at his performances of the past few years. He should prove that he is good and motivated enough to drive for Williams in the future.
It's disappointing to see the Williams team generally struggle for points in recent races and then even see one of their drivers putting in lacklustre performances. I'd rather see Palmer at Williams than Massa, because he at least puts in some effort.
Does Massa think he's entitled to a seat in F1? What a muppet...
And yes, he was good enough for F1, I do take it back.
Alonso is still the only team mate who has 'demolished' him though. Given that he has had 4 world champion team mates I Don't think that's bad going.
Yes he needs to retire but a little bit of respect has been earned thank you.
Agreed. When Massa first started he was really fast but erratic. In 2007, 2008 and 2009 he was pretty good. Even to this day, Massa is more "deserving" than some of the other drivers, if not by being fast, by giving Williams what they need to keep the team afloat.
I disagree and as I recently watched the 2008 season hightlights, I think he got extremely lucky that Hamilton always had to be on the limit in the McLaren. Kovalainen, as a reference, finished 7th, behind both Ferraris, both BMWs and a Renault.
Thus, I do believe that any driver with the qualities of Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel would have dominated that season in a Ferrari.
So, if Massa was world class at that time, the term 'world class' must have had been applied to a wide range of drivers at the time.
I actually rate Barrichello higher than Massa. When he drove for Stewart and Jordan, he was amazing.
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