Grand Prix 2016 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

People have different opinions about most of the F1 circuits but if there is something everybody agrees on is that SPA-Francorchamps circuit is great, for many their favourite.

How could it not, you've got the Ardennes forest, the very high speed, the ups and downs and iconic turns like La Source, Eau Rouge and Raidillon, Stavelot, Bus Stop. Could it be the motorsport heritage? For as long as cars have gone racing, Spa is associated with velocity. Of course at the turn of the 20th century they used the original circuit of 86km (or was it 118km?).

Even after it was shorten to 15km and then 7km, it kept its pedigree, its spirit. As the race comes closer, the anxiety continues to build in F1 fans; a 4-week summer break may be deserved for the drivers and teams but creates a void that cannot be filled with race reruns or silly season discussion. And it's mind-boggling that they have kept it as is but they've added more and more races (currently we are at 21) making each result of little relevance is the great scheme of things.

It is also Spa back in 1991 the race that saw the debut of F1 most successful driver ever, one Michael Schumacher. He never raced there before and went around the circuit in a bicycle to get to know it, before posting the best 7th time and running as high as 6th when his clutch gave up.

That was then but back to 2016, as it has been the case the past 3 years, Mercedes are the clear favourites. At the beginning of the year it seemed like this was going to be Nico Rosberg year, 4 victories in the first 4 races, a testimony of that, yet after his retirement in Spain the German has failed to recover his mojo and instead Lewis Hamilton seems destined to win his 4th championship (3rd in a row) with 6 victories in the last 7 races. It doesn’t seem likely that Rosberg is going to be a challenge for the remaining of the year which is a shame but confirms he’s not really a top-drawer driver.

Even though mathematically Mercedes can still lose the championship this year, it won’t happen and they have decided to go with a conservative approach to the race, having the fewest sets of supersoft tires. And why wouldn’t they, at the beginning of the year it seemed like Ferrari was mounting a challenge but they have clearly faded away. Also, after a stellar debut with the Scuderia last year, Sebastian Vettel seems to be at odds with the team. No longer have a quick smiled ear to ear but rather a wry one (if any); the German is conflicted by the lack of performance of his car and the off camera politics that are at play and seem to be more prevalent than ever. Almost the opposite can be said of Kimi Raikkonen who seemed to have recovered some of his flare, especially after his contract has been renewed for yet another year.

RedBull has taken over as the challenger to Mercedes but they are a few ways down the road when it comes to challenging the Silver Arrows. However the intra-team battle has been really interesting; Ricciardo the established lead and Max Verstappen the newcomer, very little separate them when it comes to qualifying and race results. If anything the young Dutch has allowed Daniel Ricciardo to shine again with superb performances in the past 2 races. Will the Aussie be able to capitalize and win a race this year? Let’s hope it is at Spa to mix it up a little bit.

Summer break also brought news of Manor racing demoting one of their drivers, Indonesian Rio Haryanto in favour of French DTM and F1 test driver Esteban Ocon, a moved caused by Haryanto’s inability to pay the 6.5 million pounds required to keep his seat. This in turn has lost Pertamina as Manor sponsor.

One of the best f1 weekends is just around the corner but the shadow of terrorism is upon it and the race organizers have made sure security takes centre stage. This is not really comforting for fans but it’s the new 2016 reality.

What are your predictions?
 
Titch ...... The Autosport article said nether Lewis or Mercedes would know the penalty situation until FP1 on Friday. It was Autosport that said the MGU-H and the turbo each bought a 10 point grid penalty. Lewis may not have all the information until the team meet tomorrow to make a final decision. I'd be very surprised if Autosport are wrong regarding penalties.
The regulations on the official F1 website state it's a 10 point grid penalty for all the major components including the MGU-H and the turbo-charger. The total is a 20 grid drop not 15, so Lewis has got this wrong, unless they're replacing a lesser component that only draws a 5 grid drop.
Further to the above, the BBC has said Mercedes will take 2 new turbo's and a MGU-H which adds up to a 30 penalty drop which will put him to the back of the grid. Worth taking a 30 point drop when in reality he can't take the full penalty with only 22 cars on the grid.
 
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Titch ..... Autosport say on their site that changing the MGU-H and the turbo each bring a 10 point grid penalty totalling a twenty grid drop which will move him to the back of the field or near to it.
I've seen similar math reported in various outlets. Unless they changed the penalty system, this is wrong. It is a 10 place penalty for the first sixth component, and 5 for each further sixth component. The first 7th component is a 10 place penalty again, etc.

The executive summary: If you go over the component limit you start from the back. (The complicated details only matter when more than one driver is going over the limit.

Question: If you qualify in Q3 and are put on the back of the grid due to engine penalties, do you still have to start on the tyres you used in Q2? If so, Hamilton might be better off not setting a time in Q2 and getting new tyres for the race. (Start on mediums?)
 
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I haven't been offering an opinion on the penalty system, just quoting Autosport. The whole penalty process is another reason I'm starting to dislike F1 more and more. The FIA throw incredibly complex power units at the teams and then punish them with penalties when they have reliability issues. At Spa, a GP we all look forward to, we have arguably the best driver in the sport forced to the rear of the grid through no fault of his own. A great shame to ruin one of the seasons best GP's, it also has the potential to have a negative impact on the entire championship.
 
It is a shame that lewis is at back but we need these grid penalties because otherwise it would get ridiculous & the big teams would be their with a new engine every 1 or 2 races at astronomical costs & the little teams would be only having 3/4 a season

I know the test tyres is difficult to compare because from how i understand they arent 1 specific compound they could be 2 different compounds randomly given thru the grid & only pirelli know what compound the drivers were setting the laptimes on. But weirlein got to be abit worry a second slower than debuting ocon. Who has a great reputation GP3 Champion & F3 Champion beating the home favourite this weekend Max Verstappen by 67pts. As 5 live f1 said its a huge 10 race shootout because possibly 1 of drivers Mercedes dream could be over before its begun
 
It is a shame that lewis is at back but we need these grid penalties because otherwise it would get ridiculous & the big teams would be their with a new engine every 1 or 2 races at astronomical costs & the little teams would be only having 3/4 a season

Might there be better ways of applying the penalties that would have less impact on the racing?

For example: the constructors get docked championship points for going over the limit? This way the driver's championship will not be affected, yet the constructors are suitably punished for going over the limit. Moreover, it feels thematically right that poor reliability should impact the constructor's championship. The only potential problem could be a constructor tanking its constructor's championship to provide a driver with fresh engines every weekend and take the driver's championship. (But that would be costly in terms of loss of income.)

Otherwise: Maybe mechanical DNF's should allow free replacements of the affected engine parts? (Not finishing should be punishment enough.) This might be exploited in someway though.
 
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Otherwise: Maybe mechanical DNF's should allow free replacements of the affected engine parts? (Not finishing should be punishment enough.) This might be exploited in someway though.

It would be exploited as they just do what they do with gearboxes & just retire if they put of the points with few laps
 
Presumably those drivers with more than an entire grid' s worth of grid-drop penalties - namely Hamilton and Alonso - will only make a token appearance on Q1, since their grid position is effectively already set?
 
Vettel bouncing over the crest on the kerb at Eau Rouge all wheels off the track at seemingly every lap, just as he did last year... Is he pushing his luck with the tyres again? Will he blame Pirelli if he gets another delamination?...
 
With Hamilton having a 30 place grid drop, I am looking forward to seeing the charge from the back :)

I hope it's like his Istanbul GP2 performance.
 
I know this possibly sacrilegious. But i actually prefer like Belgian & Italian GP to the British GP. But anyway just thinking after FP3 are Mercedes focusing on race pace because they quite confident Rosberg will be on front row or this like Singapore last season where we are waiting for the comeback/domination that never came
 
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