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RasputinLives

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They tried to do Olympic park Andyoak but the residents complained. Then Bernie did some nice political playing and they were forced to agree to not race there anymore. Things like that will happen organically as the series gets bigger - as will the less 'micky mouse' nature of the tracks. The series is far from being a world leader as of yet but it's entertaining and it's getting there. I'd love to see the Williams name - and Mclaren for that matter - in the sport. As you correctly say they've both been building the tech from day one anyways
 

RasputinLives

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I doubt you've remember anything but sure you googled it ;) - Plus they didn't lose the contract Formula E stepped up to phase 2.

Google a little more you'll see Williams are the technical Partner to the Panasonic Jaguar team and are still very much involved
 

F1Brits_90

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for me i always think when the racing is good. everything pales into insignificance. i always say when we were having that great spell of races in middle of last season from Canada to Italy (excluding france obviously :sleeping:) the battles between Verstappen v Leclerc, Verstappen v Hamilton, Leclerc v Hamilton. same with Formula E they might be tight circuits but they always give entertaining racing. im rarely disappointed & it fills there brief of bringing racing to the people in city centres

i like the hypocritical complaints that F1 going down the drain & yet FE is going to overtake it because F1 is standardising a few more parts that we will never see or have an effect on the team to make far better racing with rules devised by Ross brawn whose been in F1 27yrs working with cars that have won 8 drivers titles & 8 constructors titles with 3 different teams but thats boring. but Formula E who all cars have same chassis, battery, brakes & tyres. only difference is the driver & the power unit. is going to be the new pinnacle of motorsport :dunno:

but anyway to get it back on topic i thought now we got the sustainable series that shouldve helped Williams. because the budgets arent going to extremes when 7 teams in last 8yrs have either gone bust, nearly bust, or talk about leaving because of costs. but we know in many companies are around the world have been hit massively with this crisis
 
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siffert_fan

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F1Brits_90 said: only difference is the driver

THAT is the huge difference. In F1 all that is proven is which of the two teammates is the better, as there is no comparison between the performance of the cars.
 

F1Brits_90

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F1Brits_90 said: only difference is the driver

THAT is the huge difference. In F1 all that is proven is which of the two teammates is the better, as there is no comparison between the performance of the cars.
it is but if F1 went down the route of the only difference being driver & engine. there would be uproar considering how people for some reason dont like little things being standardized. but FE racing in all but identical cars is fine. its extremely hypocritical to criticise F1 for doing the same thing on much minor scale that your praising FE for
 

Il_leone

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Funny you should say that because I am pretty sure all the big car companies are trying crack the Electric car market so FormulaE is no doubt a good marketing place for all of them. Going back to Williams - they exist only solely to compete in F1 but Claire Williams mentioned about strategic direction which says they can't compete in F1 alone and need another income stream so Formula E would be a good place if they get a manufacturer to support them. I think Frank would have never agreed to it though. As for F1 - I think Latifi buying the team will be bad news and ditto with Nissany. They wont stick around long enough unless Williams get some manufacturer support. Is the Merc engine deal still valid then given it was a 7 yr contract?
 

RasputinLives

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Williams are kind of the last hold out team aren't they? Could have been BMW. Could have been bought by Toto Wolff. Could have been bought by Lawrence Stroll. Now here they are with barely anything to sell. F1 is a very different beast than it used to be.
 

Il_leone

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True as William's are essentially a privateer but the goal posts in F1 have moved so much they did make the most of the first year with a Merc engine. Once Toto jumped ship to Mercedes they have not had clear direction
 

RasputinLives

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I think they would have been Mercedes if they'd let Wolff do that (and Brawn hadn't suddenly become an opportunity).

Thinking even further back they probably could have become Renault of they'd sold out back then too.
 

The Artist.....

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I'm not sure that Renault ever really seriously wanted to buy Williams - in fact, they seemed very happy as just an engine supplier, until they won everything, and then withdrew.

The first genuine talk of a buy-out was when BMW wanted to buy part of Williams to make it the works team; Frank said no, so BMW went to Sauber...
 

Galahad

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Frank sold his first team to Walter Wolf, given how that turned out I'm not surprised he hasn't been keen to repeat it.

He could indeed have sold to BMW in around 2004, and many called him a fool for not doing so, but the Bavarians had pulled out of F1 before the decade was out so what Williams would look like now is debatable to say the least. Manufacturers will come and go as it pleases them, and quite often leave a bloody mess in their wake. This will happen even to the fine folks in Brackley some day.

But then Williams is the last of that generation who ran racing teams for the love of racing (in F1, I mean). Will anyone still be talking about Lawrence Stroll or Gene Haas in five years' time? I rather doubt it myself.
 

The Artist.....

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But Renault bought out Benneton who they also had an engine partnership with.
that probably had more to do with Williams signing a contract with BMW in 1998 - just after Renault had announced their departure from F1. There was never any real prospect back then of Renault buying Williams.

Yes, renault bought Benetton, but that was a very different relationship (and probably a cheaper team to buy back then)..
 

F1Brits_90

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Manufacturers will come and go as it pleases them, and quite often leave a bloody mess in their wake. This will happen even to the fine folks in Brackley some day.

But then Williams is the last of that generation who ran racing teams for the love of racing (in F1, I mean). Will anyone still be talking about Lawrence Stroll or Gene Haas in five years' time? I rather doubt it myself.
this is more about budget cap that Williams. but this is why ive always budget cap has been huge necessity. because for me manufacturers are the owners (of any sporting team) & privateers are the fans. you dont build plans around the owners who are temporary. you build it around the fans who are always there

i hope this brings back a few more privateers. & what F1 misses is the teams like a Minardi or a Manor. people who are always at the back but trying their heart out & get there day in sun 1 in while
 

cider_and_toast

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Fingers crossed they will find a title sponsor (this article mentions Colgate) and start to move forwards.
If Colgate brush up on their sporting sponsorship that could really give Williams some teeth next year. A fresh start could make them a mint. Instead of just filling a slot on the grid they could start to bridge the gap to the front.
 

RasputinLives

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Having Colgate could really stop the decay. I imagine it will remove the yellow colour from Williams too.
 
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