Gaming Which console is the best?
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What are your specs? did they rip you?
600 euro x 9.77 = R5862
on that you could build a pretty solid rig
tomshardware.com budget Intel or AMD builds, for 800+ USD you can get yourself a pretty decent rig.
P67 chipset motherboard with a Core I-5 2500k which is the best CPU for performance / cost, a 650watt PSU and good OC RAM, settle on a AMD / ATI 6850 or Nvidia GTX 470/480 easy within that budget.
Bushi
Race Winner
No, i put it together myself, but i didn't buy it yet.
I think it was something like this:
Asus P8H67-M PRO B3 104.90euro
Intel core i5-2500 189.90euro
corsair 4g DDR3 45.90euro
Western Digital Sata II 2T 79.90euro
Antec High gamer 750W 119.90euro
That's 540euro
1] M Pro's are Mircro ATX boards with less expansion, never the less the 67 chipsets are great, Look at the availability of all the P67 and H67 from ASUS and Gigabyte, all are really good boards worth the cash you pay for them.
2] Of all the Sandybridge (1155) CPU's only the 2500k and 2600k(i7) are overclockable, as all have locked Bus/Core multipliers, needless to say that 2500 will be pure gold for a very long time. The 67 chipset Mobo's are also backward compatible for the new Ivybridge CPU's coming out soon.
3] I am a Corsair Man so if that is the XMS3 series, can't go wrong with that, I will say though it is 1.65v Ram, with a sandybridge CPU the RAM will be downclocked to 1333, but you can drop the latency to 8-8-8-20 for faster performance at 1.5v
4] I don't know the specs on that Antec PSU but ANTEC is a good brand needless to say. Just look at the +12v Rail(s) ensure that the +12v has a) High wattage on that rail b) high AMPS 35-50A on the +12v rail(s) is worth its weight in gold, that way you can use more Fans, HDD, and a better GPU.
5] Will you down the line put in a GPU? the onboard VGA for H67 chipsets has good Video controllers along with the i5 integration, it will allow you to play a lot of new games on med-med/high anything more will cause issues considering you are sharing RAM, Games (around 1.5-2gb), Video Controller (512-1024mb) that leaves very little System RAM.
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Check out for Mushkin Silverline or GSkill Ripjaws, you may be able to pick up DDR3 1333 @ 4GB x 2 1.5v modules which will be immense for gaming and 64bit OS/Games. GPU prices will drop soon so you may be able to pick up a good priced GPU.
landogeorgelewis1
Champion Elect
Love my Nintendo Wii, but for games such as footie and F1 it's no good.
I uses it for the fitness and i love it. Also love the dance and singing games you get for it.
But if your wanting it to play games like F1 and Footie and fighting games then go for the PS3 it's miles better than the rest!
I uses it for the fitness and i love it. Also love the dance and singing games you get for it.
But if your wanting it to play games like F1 and Footie and fighting games then go for the PS3 it's miles better than the rest!
I've done pretty much everything game consol and PC wise.
I have in the past built my own gaming PC. I own a PS3 and a Wii as well as play on the pals Xbox from time to time.
For me the best way to play games by a long way is on the PS3.
Its hastle free unlike a PC, easy to use, always works, looks very good and free online access. The xbox is a close second but the PS3 is just better.
I have in the past built my own gaming PC. I own a PS3 and a Wii as well as play on the pals Xbox from time to time.
For me the best way to play games by a long way is on the PS3.
Its hastle free unlike a PC, easy to use, always works, looks very good and free online access. The xbox is a close second but the PS3 is just better.
That is the great upside of a Console, that regardless of anything short of failure of the system, everything works. That said, failure of a cpu or a transistor/capacitor goes on a console the entire thing has to be replaced and that can be costly as the updated consoles are expensive.
On a PC the upside is that you can replace a faulty device, upgrading from gen to gen (ie: socket 478 and AGP to Socket 775 Core2 or Dual Cores and PCI Express, to Socket 1156/1366 and 1155) is something you only need to actually do once unless you are a overclocker/benchmarker or extreme gamer. A good build now, Mobo, CPU, PSU will last you a good 5-8yrs, the only thing really needing upgrading every 2-4yrs is a good GPU. My evidence is my old Core2 Duo is 2006-2007 still plays all new titles on med-high or high despite being old.
On a PC the upside is that you can replace a faulty device, upgrading from gen to gen (ie: socket 478 and AGP to Socket 775 Core2 or Dual Cores and PCI Express, to Socket 1156/1366 and 1155) is something you only need to actually do once unless you are a overclocker/benchmarker or extreme gamer. A good build now, Mobo, CPU, PSU will last you a good 5-8yrs, the only thing really needing upgrading every 2-4yrs is a good GPU. My evidence is my old Core2 Duo is 2006-2007 still plays all new titles on med-high or high despite being old.
Bushi
Race Winner
I looked in to it, to buy a 2500k, but im not gonna overclock it so im sticking to the 2500.
A friend gave me his Gforce GT320 1G DDR3, but it will do.......for a very short while.
Also a SSD looks attractive, but the prices for the amount of GB you get is insane.
I looked in to it, to buy a 2500k, but im not gonna overclock it so im sticking to the 2500.
A friend gave me his Gforce GT320 1G DDR3, but it will do.......for a very short while.
Also a SSD looks attractive, but the prices for the amount of GB you get is insane.
SSD are extremely expensive, at the moment if you put the OS on the SSD you get phenominal boot speed. It does nothing for game performance though.
The processor may bottleneck the GPU, if the 2500 has HD3000 integrated graphics it is stonger than the 320, with the draw back being shared RAM, if you wait anyways and stick with integrated or the 320 you will be able to pick up a good priced highend card at the end of the year when prices drop by 15-20% as well as general prices.
With Windows 8 due soon, and a pure DX11 OS, it will take all the strain off a CPU and place video and physx rendering back to the GPU, increasing overall performance, that will be the time to get a DX11 card,......until then, that machine is more that good for 5+ years. As I mentioned the CPU is very good may never need to upgrade for a long time as 4 cores is overkill still, and a 67 chipset MOBO is future proofed with compatibility with the 22nm Ivy Bridge CPU's to come out soon.
An awful lot of nerd porn being discussed here! 
A friend of mine spent a squillion quid benchmarking his PC, just so he could show us how shiny Crisis 2 looks. I'd already completed it on the Xbox, and it looked just fine to me on there...
...and he still hasn't completed the game!
A friend of mine spent a squillion quid benchmarking his PC, just so he could show us how shiny Crisis 2 looks. I'd already completed it on the Xbox, and it looked just fine to me on there...
...and he still hasn't completed the game!
An awful lot of nerd porn being discussed here!
A friend of mine spent a squillion quid benchmarking his PC, just so he could show us how shiny Crisis 2 looks. I'd already completed it on the Xbox, and it looked just fine to me on there...
...and he still hasn't completed the game!
Cyrsis 2 is a port from x-box to PC anyways so it is hardly spectacular anyways,.....benchmarking is way to overrated and expensive. Considering that a good 30% of games are ports and DX9 based having an overkill machine is irrelevent, to put Bushi's rig will litterally do the same thing as the best benchmarking machines, perhaps minus the graphics performance, but only marginally anyways.
Just for curiosity a benchmark rig
Core i 7 970 O.C @ 4.8GH (8mb L3 Cache,HT (4 synthetic cores))
Asus X68 Republic of Gamers Rampage 3 Motheboard
4X GTX 590 ti
32 GB DDR3 2000 (oc, tri-channel)
Zalmans 1200+w PSU
Zalmans cooling
This was one I recently saw,.....and well Crysis 2 looked the same on my old Core2 Duo with XFX 8800 GTX.
PS: I am one of many interests, Computers, Sports, Airplanes, Guns.
I agreed everything on your post, apart from
"then go for the PS3 it's miles better than the rest!"
After it came out much later than the Nintendo Wii, and Xbox 360, and was promised much better features, I found it a big disappoint and the price was ever so high.
Xbox 360 for me as it's the best all rounder
(to be fair, my information on all three consoles has been on a major decline, I am still living in 2007-2009 mode when it comes to consoles
)
How many Blu-Rays do you watch on your Xbox, Sly? 
To be fair, I own both a PS3 & an Xbox, and the odd console-exclusive game aside, there's absolutely no difference between them when it comes to playing games & graphical quality. I don't even have a problem switching between the 2 types of controller. I'm also onto my second version of each console - my Mk1 PS3 got the YLOD & my first 360 liked to scratch discs. I now have 250GB versions of both machines, and they sit side-by-side beneath my TV perfectly well. (I do have the dilemma of choosing which format of games like CoD to buy though)
If pressed, I'd say the PS3 was the better all-rounder, because of the Blu-Ray player & built-in wireless internet, but with HD video-streaming available on both machines via internet connectivity, it doesn't make that much difference.
Ok - the PS3 is quieter when running.
(I have no information to impart on Move/Kinect - they're just wannabe Wii-copying gadgets, if you ask me...)
To be fair, I own both a PS3 & an Xbox, and the odd console-exclusive game aside, there's absolutely no difference between them when it comes to playing games & graphical quality. I don't even have a problem switching between the 2 types of controller. I'm also onto my second version of each console - my Mk1 PS3 got the YLOD & my first 360 liked to scratch discs. I now have 250GB versions of both machines, and they sit side-by-side beneath my TV perfectly well. (I do have the dilemma of choosing which format of games like CoD to buy though)
If pressed, I'd say the PS3 was the better all-rounder, because of the Blu-Ray player & built-in wireless internet, but with HD video-streaming available on both machines via internet connectivity, it doesn't make that much difference.
Ok - the PS3 is quieter when running.
(I have no information to impart on Move/Kinect - they're just wannabe Wii-copying gadgets, if you ask me...)
Bushi
Race Winner
Alright thanks for the info.
I'm gonna stick with the integrated graphics and wait till the DX11 cards are coming out.
I will try draw and post specs for you to decide, but the I5's integrated graphics are all HDMI and quite potent, despite the drawback.
Well graphics wise, the same HD2000 integrated chipset is used so that is not a difference. I 7 for the 1366 are extremely powerful processors, the Sandybridge 1155 the 2500k and 2600k have very little difference. The only real difference is HyperThreading giving the I7 4physical and 4virtual cores making it effectively 8 synthetic cores. I3's also have HT so are also synthetic 4 core CPU.s
The Ivy Bridge Processors the I 7 is a physical 8 core CPU with HT, the I 5 also has HT in that processor generation.
The i5 is a very good choice, you will not need to upgrade the MOBO or CPU for 5+ years possibly more, to say this, you can play any game you want comfortably,.....add a good GPU in the future and well you will have a solid rig. Save up and when you got enough look at a high spec GTX 570/580, that will eat games for breakfast.
EDIT: the only difference between the 2500 and 2500k or 2600k is overclocking everything else is the same....high end CPU you got.
The Ivy Bridge Processors the I 7 is a physical 8 core CPU with HT, the I 5 also has HT in that processor generation.
The i5 is a very good choice, you will not need to upgrade the MOBO or CPU for 5+ years possibly more, to say this, you can play any game you want comfortably,.....add a good GPU in the future and well you will have a solid rig. Save up and when you got enough look at a high spec GTX 570/580, that will eat games for breakfast.
EDIT: the only difference between the 2500 and 2500k or 2600k is overclocking everything else is the same....high end CPU you got.
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