Current Valtteri Bottas

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
yeah unfortunately he started so well but yes Lewis on another level since the summer break but Bottas has dropped a level is underperforming. not since austria could you say he matched Hamilton

is it wrong to say that despite the stick weve given kimi. he's actually performing better than bottas. at the moments i dont see how bottas stays past 2018
 
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Il_leone

Champion Elect
Certainly not given Ricciardo or Sainz are potentially available then someone at Mercedes also expects Ocon or Wehrlein to be promoted alongside Hamilton to show that investing in young drivers is worth it
 

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
It's truly bizarre to see how Bottas' pace has fallen off since mid-season. While he wasn't always a match for Hamilton in the races, in qualifying it was close between them for the first half of the year (taking their fastest laps in Q3, Q2 at Monaco):

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We understand that the Mercedes is a difficult car to set up - but is there more to it?
 

RasputinLives

Not dead
Contributor
I think it comes down to "you are number 2" being over the summer. Being told your number 2 tends to knock your confidence and send your form spiralling until you are crazy completely and utterly number 2.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I think whatever James Allison and Mercedes have done to the car its benefitted Lewis much more and he's just made the gap bigger.

What is troubling Bottas is he is not a match on race day either which is something that Button could make up for. Bottas is going to start to feel like Gerhard Berger who simply has no answer to the phenomenal speed of Hamilton
 

sobriety

Pole Sitter
Was it Button who said "if Lewis ever works out how to consistently access the talent he has, the rest of us may as well go home"?

Maybe Bottas is just in the unlucky position of being Lewis's teammate when it has 'clicked'
 

Titch

Champion Elect
Premium Contributor
I think that really good F1 drivers have quite complex personalities. You can’t really say that about Bottas. Calm / passive is how he comes across.
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
I think that really good F1 drivers have quite complex personalities
I think that everyone has a quite complex personality. The defining traits of a champion F1 driver are that they live for adrenaline and hate to lose.

Not sure Bottas hates losing as much as others.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I don't think Bottas is as laid back as he looks to the naked eye. He's just being stuffed at the moment.. he does get angry when it seems Raikkonen is the one that always seems to hit him
 

vintly

Mostly bacon
Premium Contributor
Whether he's laid back or not, he can't afford to be. I reckon he's already peaked in F1.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Hamilton is an exceptional driver and driving at a level few could achieve I remember Senna doing this to his teammates simply because he was so fast
Bottas is finding it tough maybe he needs to speak to Rosberg how to overcome this
 

Rutherford

Podium Finisher
Can Mercedes not hear him scream, "I want to be released!"?

Why didn't Mercedes promote Ocon or, well it has to be said, Wehrlein? I can't stand it anymore. We had some exciting battles between Rosberg and Hamilton. If Mercedes aren't challenged next season, it'll be a one man show, like 1992 when Mansell won the championship.
 

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
Slight overreaction? He was fine until Spa, he just needs to rediscover that. A new car might suit him better too. Surely he didn't lose six tenths overnight.

Plus would Hamilton have done any better, in a normal race? I'm not certain he would.
 

Rutherford

Podium Finisher
Galahad
He‘s racing for a top team and at the moment Mercedes speed is good enough on most tracks to beat Ferrari and Red Bull which means he can kind of keep up with them. However, if they‘re are equal next year then he‘d drop behind them significantly with his current form.
His form drop is very worrying and it’s persisted for the last seven races - that’s nearly half a season!

No, he didn’t lose six tenths over night, he lost them during the four week summer break.
 
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FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Martin Brundle summed him up, steady. Not sure if any of you saw the driver interviews but he claims changes made to the car mid-season meant he has had to change his driving style and he drew an analogy with a golfer learning a new swing.
 
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