Martin Whitmarsh

racecub

Champion Elect
What nonsense.
That image could convey anything at all: he's forgotten his wife's birthday, trying to add up the cost of his groceries, rubbing his temples because he has a headache/eye strain, etc.

To claim that it's because he's unhappy at the prospect of 2013 is ludicrous.
ROFL ok, it was ludicrous :D
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Caption competition? Can't do that on my iPad. Not because it won't but because I'm too thick/lazy to work out how.
 

KekeTheKing

Banned
Supporter
Whitmarsh had some effusive praise for Hamilton after qualifying. I really think he's going to savor this end of the year stretch, as it may be the last time McLaren are seated on Pole for a while.
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Since every race consists of about 55 laps, 1 seems irrelevant somehow. Particularly given today's race!
 

Brogan

🦶 Leg end
Staff member
Considering McLaren really ought to have won both titles this year, or at the very least be runners up in both, where does that leave Whitmarsh?

The buck has to stop somewhere and all the pointless gum flapping on TV after each race about how driver x did a great job doesn't change the fact that McLaren were eminently able to stop Red Bull from doing the double this year. And haven't. Again.
 

Senna's_right_foot

Pole Sitter
Supporter
I've said it before I don't think Whitmarsh is the sole problem at McLaren, I think the problems are far more procedural and to do with McLaren's 'robotic' approach and the insistance in relying on data. One of McLaren's issues seems to be the lack of someone to make inspirational 'on the hoof' decisions.
Ron Dennis said in an interview not that long ago that while as a Team Prinipal you can't be expected to take full responsibility for everything that happens, ultimately the buck has to stop somewhere. If i'd heard my boss saying that and I had been in charge of the year McLaren have had with all the mistakes etc., i'd be slightly worried.
If McLaren were a football team, fans wouldn't quite be calling for change but they wouldn't be far off.
 

Hamberg

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I think the problems are far more procedural and to do with McLaren's 'robotic' approach and the insistance in relying on data. One of McLaren's issues seems to be the lack of someone to make inspirational 'on the hoof' decisions.
I think rather than say it's not all Whitmarsh you've just argued it is. The person to do/change the above has to be the Team Principal, he's the person that is accountable for how things are run and needs to be the decision maker.

I think Whitmarsh said recently they have been too risk averse, the person to lead a change in culture has to be the person in charge.

The only other person if Whitmarsh is restricted in making these decisions is the CEO and therefore is it Ron that needs to take more of a back seat than he pretends he's doing?
 

Senna's_right_foot

Pole Sitter
Supporter
I think rather than say it's not all Whitmarsh you've just argued it is. The person to do/change the above has to be the Team Principal, he's the person that is accountable for how things are run and needs to be the decision maker.
Not necessarily, although I do see your point. Jean Todt was Team Principal at Ferrari but Ross Brawn is given most of, if not all of, the credit for the strategy side of Schumacher's success at Ferrari. They knew what Brawn was good at and let him get on with it.
Whitmarsh may be where the buck stops but i don't think he can take sole blame for the apparent lack of dynamism at McLaren. It's as if McLaren could do with someone to step forward and say "why don't we try x,y,z instead of relying implicitly on what the data says". I thought this was what Sam Michael was brought in for, and even then that didn't fill me with much optimism.
 

Senna's_right_foot

Pole Sitter
Supporter
He must know Hamilton wasn't offered more money by Mercedes, as every man and his dog saw Ross Brawn say on Sky that Merc didn't offer Hamilton any more money than he was already on. I suppose he's only doing what any Team Principal would do if one of the top 3 drivers were to leave their team - he has to justify 'allowing' them to leave without making it look like himself of the company were at fault in any way.
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
No fault, Senna's_right_foot, should be implied.

"A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" and it is done now - who lives to regret it might or might not become apparent in the next couple of years
 

Mezzer

A fine chap if ever there was one.
Contributor
I have a feeling that the current quotes suggesting "Hamilton is already regretting the decision" are a blend of wishful thinking along with somewhat embarrassed regret at not getting the re-sign. Perez is no Hamilton, that is for sure and, without wanting to put too many backs up, neither is Button.
 

ExtremeNinja

Karting amateur
Contributor
Whitmarsh cannot say that Lewis is leaving because he is unhappy with operational procedures and level of support and competency. The PR line and what I read from the quotes is that "we are better than Mercedes and we are perfectly happy with our operation because we are great and so the only reason that he could possibly be motivated to leave would be money". The delivery and other fluff around it is all a way of conveying the message without being derogatory (as much as is possible) to the other party and without actually saying what you are [Edit]attempting to say implying knowing full well that the opposite is true..

Archetypical PR statement.
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Contributor
It was rumoured that McLaren were going to offer less money for Hamilton than he was already on. If so, when Brawn said that Mercedes did not offer more money did he mean that it was no more than Hamilton currently was on or no more than the reduced McLaren offer?
 

racecub

Champion Elect
I understand his salary will be similar to what he is on now, and I think bonuses are included in that, but he has more commercial freedom than he had at Mclaren.
 
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