Current Lewis Hamilton

A place to put all the posts from all the other threads primarily but love him or hate him, and even for the indifferent amongst us this is the place to discuss the marmite that is Lewis Hamilton, to learn a thing or two about his rise, talk about those controversial, genius or mad moments and something that i am bemused by, the recent articles that suggest something quite different to my perception of what's going on. Any experiences of meeting LH?

Brundle had to write a Lewis Hamilton article recently and in my tweets (which were probably ignored) I asked him to talk about LH the driver not LH the personality. It seems that you can't have one without the other.

So as a starter for ten, here is a fairly recent LH article. Posts should not be limited to this link but it can get some discussion going. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13755883.stm

The only banned topic as it is clearly ridiculous involves these four things "Glock" "2008" "Brazil" "conspiracy"

 

[Quintessentially]

There was no right or wrong decision because there was no decision. Sooner or later the penny will drop.

I think the term ‘racing incident’ is too often bandied about on this forum without the right appreciation of the phrase.

Refer to article 16.1 of the sporting regulations and it is clear the stewards were guilty of not following protocol.

 

[Cookinflatsix]

I am not sure why anyone thinks a conspiracy theory is being bandied about

There is no conspiracy, there are just clearly double standards when it comes to Lewis. The latest iteration of this (why this topic has been revisited) is the Autosport suggestion that the incident was dismissed without any summary or proper investigation. A serious incident causing a SC was dismissed out of hand by the stewards because in their eyes, the guilty party had crashed out.

'In their eyes' without an investigation yet again points to double standards, a pre determined bias that Lewis is guilty

When has a crash not been investigated? even the cutting of a chicane and failure to give a place back has taken 30 laps to investigate in the past

 

[Vortex]

Ok, so we’re saying the correct decision was made, but was not made because there was no decision to be made but the decision that was made was made too quickly!

 

[VanChallis]

It was a racing incident, simple as that. Id say it was Hamiltons fault as he moved to the left into him but it was simply a mistake and a race incident. No conspiracy theories about Mansell or anything, the correct decision was made.

I totally agree, it was a racing incident, just like the Hamilton/Button crash at Montreal. My problem is that a lot of people seem to deduce that both accidents were Lewis' fault. This is simply not possible as the accidents were nigh on the same as each other, just with Lewis on the opposite side of the battle. Both times it cost him more, and both times he was blamed. Especially people like Niki Lauda blaming him for both, people like him should know better, and I guess he's just trying to get some more tv time by having a pop at the `bad boy` of F1

 

[Josh]

Wouldn't we have heard it from more journalists if they really thought it was Hamilton's fault? I dunno, seems strange.

 

[RayInTorontoCanada]

Hamilton admitted fault.

Let's just leave it at that.

How many crashes and penalties has Schumacher been involved in?

At least Lewis' teammates weren't asked to purposely crash the car so he could cheat out a victory with a Safety Car advantage!

What chance Hamilton wins the Italian Grand Prix on Sunday?

 

[Hamberg]

Either the talk of the Koby/Hamilton incident stops now or I'll request the thread be shut down. It's going around in circles and I think we have all voiced our opinions around 39 times each.

How many more WDC do you think he'll win. I have to say I'm getting rather scared but I'm going to go for 1. He has the ability without a shadow of a doubt, I just hope McLaren give them a car that can rival the Red Bull - because without that, nobody but young Seb has a hope in hells chance.

 

[Vortex]

How many crashes and penalties has Schumacher been involved in?

RAY! Jeeze man!

 

[RasputinLives]

How many crashes and penalties has Schumacher been involved in?

Is this the quiz section? is the answer 2? I bet you know how many Ray bet you have them listed because you're in luuuuvvveeee with Schumacher. You can't comment on any thread without bringing him up.

As for Lewis chances of winning at Monza - he is on good form at the min and expect him to be up there. Just depends if he and Mclaren can get the right set up. Lewis not had the best of luck at Monza in previous seasons so hopefully it'll all come together for him.

 

[Josh]

How many more WDC do you think he'll win. I have to say I'm getting rather scared but I'm going to go for 1. He has the ability without a shadow of a doubt, I just hope McLaren give them a car that can rival the Red Bull - because without that, nobody but young Seb has a hope in hells chance.

If he has the car? 2 or more. If he doesn't? 1, or possibly 0 if he's unlucky.

He's a great driver but he simply doesn't have the car at the moment. If he only has 1 WC at the end of his career then that would be a shame. I'm not a fan of him, but he definitely deserves at least 1 more WDC, with his skills.

 

[Cookinflatsix]

At least Lewis' teammates weren't asked to purposely crash the car so he could cheat out a victory with a Safety Car advantage!

Interesting extrapolation Ray

Could Lewis have crashed on purpose to get the SC out and help Button get a podium?



:runs for the door:

 

[Senna's_right_foot]

Although I detest the term 'fanboy(s)', I surely can't be the only one who is absolutely sick to death of them hijacking every single thread or comment relating to Lewis Hamilton on this forum. And for the hard of thinking, please note that the term is not and has never been a byword for 'Hamilton fan', only a cursory glance around here is needed to figure that out. It's close to the point where I see the word 'Hamilton' and I just close the thread and turn alerts off as I just know that it'll descend into the same 'Hamilton/Button/Alonso/2007/tinfoil hat' diatribe that seems to be wheeled out time after time whenever Hamilton is mentioned.
I really don't care whether you like him or not, but Hamilton being on the end of some questionable decisions is a very valid subject for debate. It's just a shame that some people think 'debating' means browbeating others with their point of view until people cave in and agree with them. Some people need to remove their own tinfoil hats and stop wallowing in their own subjectivity and realise that the subject of inconsistent stewarding is pertinent to the sport as a whole. Unless of course there are fans who don't think the level of stewarding can be improved on?

Edit: 2 more WDCs for Hamilton, although as always it depends on the car and how the Mickey Mouse Drinks Co. do over the next few years.

 

[RasputinLives]

Sorry - my bad with the tin foil hat bringing up.

I completely agree with you on the standard of stewarding S_R_F I think I just tire of hearing that Lewis is the only one the stewards are inconsistant with and its because everyone in the F1 world hates him

 

[Senna's_right_foot]

No apology necessary, my comment was intended to be more general, aimed at Hamilton 'fans' equally as much as the usual anti-Hamilton brigade.

 

[Cookinflatsix]

Sorry - my bad with the tin foil hat bringing up.

I completely agree with you on the standard of stewarding S_R_F I think I just tire of hearing that Lewis is the only one the stewards are inconsistant with and its because everyone in the F1 world hates him

I thought this thread was about Hamilton and not about Stewarding

I am also sure that Schumacher, Senna and Alonso are generally offered up as further examples of the inconsistencies shown to certain drivers who attract prejudice



back to Lewis
I reckon he has say 10 years left in F1, its way too early to predict what someone with his talent could achieve, probably not 10 Wcs but to say 1 or 2 is pointless really

 

[RasputinLives]

Why assume that my comment was aimed at you Cook?

As for the WCs question. Really hard to tell. I think he himself would have expected to have more than he has now which is not really surpsising as no one really foresaw the rise of Vettel and Red Bull. If things stay the same way for a while now you've got to expect another 1 or 2 but as F1 has shown you don't know who or what is round the corner.

 

[Brogan]

Either the talk of the Koby/Hamilton incident stops now or I'll request the thread be shut down.

Whilst I take the point, driver and team threads will never be closed.

We would never penalise all members due to the behaviour of a small minority.

Perhaps if everyone stopped biting/responding, the subject would naturally die off and the thread could move on?

I for one used to be a Hamilton fan but I am sick to the back teeth of reading about him now on here.
The content is no better than 606 in its final weeks.

 

[Hamberg]

 

[Cookinflatsix]

Why assume that my comment was aimed at you Cook?

I didn't, why assume that I assumed that?

As for the WCs question. Really hard to tell. I think he himself would have expected to have more than he has now which is not really surpsising as no one really foresaw the rise of Vettel and Red Bull

Maybe more like no one really foresaw the failure of McLaren to remain at the sharp end, but yes F1 history tells us that anything can happen in 10 years. And with the next big shake up due in 2014 all predictions are hard. However he can be competitive in the second best car but maybe not against a Vettel in a slightly better car.

Best would be to see the two of them in the same team, both drivers would race each other without needing number 1 status etc

Will be fantastic to see their 2 different styles go head to head over the seasons even in different car/team dynamics. I dont think Seb will always have the best or second best car, same as Lewis.

I think that as Alonso heads towards retirement and Seb takes his place, it will could be the best rivalry of these modern times so far

 

[RasputinLives]

Maybe more like no one really foresaw the failure of McLaren to remain at the sharp end, but yes F1 history tells us that anything can happen in 10 years. And with the next big shake up due in 2014 all predictions are hard. However he can be competitive in the second best car but maybe not against a Vettel in a slightly better car.

To be honest Mclaren are in a far more competitve position now than they have been for most of the previous 2 decades but thats for the Mclaren thread. You make a good point about 2014 being a shake up but whether it will have the lasting effect that 2009 did its hard to tell. 2009 saw the break up of the 'big 4' that had lasted since 1974. It was the first time any team other than Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams or Benneton/Renault had won the construcors championship since 1974. Even then in reality Brawn/Merc was really an old top 4 team (Tyrell) finally returning to form. Red Bull had no history of being at the front in F1 and they who have changed the form book somewhat which is what has taken so many in F1 by surprise. Combine that with them having Seb Vettel who has come of age quicker than anyone expected and this is why you have Lewis and Fernando scratching their heads wondering where their Senna/Prost era that was predicted has dissapeared too. I can't see any of the current top 4 slipping back like Renault and Williams did come 2014 but I could be wrong. I can see a change of dynamic though - I personally believe you'd be a fool to underestimate Merc and that one season soon they'll be there at the front.

As for Vettel and Hamilton in the same car - would love to see it and unless he gets the title with Mclaren next season I think we'll see them at Red Bull together in 2013.