Is Lewis Hamilton's 2008 WDC flawed?

[Aerodynamics]

Had Piquet the cheat not crashed intentionally, no safety car, no need to pit and (most likely) no fuel rig problem for Massa

Massa would have won the race with ease hence him winning the WDC..

Ah but for the reasons I stated in the first post, you can't assume that if there hadn't been a crash that Massa would definitely have won the race or the WDC.

Ferrari could still have messed up the pit stop, Massa could have crashed, etc.

We'll never know.

Exactly, We will never know hence why Hamilton's title is tainted

 

[RickD]

Exactly, We will never know hence why Hamilton's title is tainted

Please make some sense.

Or please tell me a WDC whose title isn't tainted by some controversy or other..

 

[FB]

Got agree with Rick on this one, nearly every driver/team at some point during the season has an incident which you could claims "taints" their championship. To pick on Hamilton specifically is just pointless and, he was a worthy Champion - as Felipe Massa woudl have been also.

 

[teabagyokel]

If you remember Singapore last year, Massa spun at turn 18, so are we saying this wouldn't have happened.

You can't say if the crash didn't happen, Massa wins the WDC. The world is more complex than that!

I personally feel they both deserve to be 2008 Champions, but the fact is that they're not.

The only thing that is tainted is Alonso's win. There is no taint on the World Champion, he did not deliberately cheat in order to win the World Championships (and there's two very well regarded champions who probably did, if you want to revisit Japan 1990 or Australia 1994 please do), he just performed better than Massa in the situation provided him. It is not Piquet's fault that that traffic lights system was crap.

 

[Brogan]

Ever wish you'd never started a thread?

 

[RickD]

 

[teabagyokel]

Just thank God you didn't start it some other place.

 

[Aerodynamics]

Exactly, We will never know hence why Hamilton's title is tainted

Please make some sense.

Or please tell me a WDC whose title isn't tainted by some controversy or other..

You should learn to read instead of accusing me of not making sense.

 

[teabagyokel]

You should learn to read instead of accusing me of not making sense.

Be fair King_Alonso, you do need to read to join the forum!

 

[The Moderator]

Same goes for this thread.

Any more tit-for-tat posts or off-topic comments will be deleted.

Let's try and keep this a friendly place where people are free to post their opinions without it degenerating into virtual punch-ups.

 

[GeoffP]

I think that as a result of all these emotions we should all agree that the 2008 WDC be awarded to Jenson Button for his gentlemanly conduct in ensuring that nobody got lonely at the back -

 

[Aerodynamics]

You should learn to read instead of accusing me of not making sense.

Be fair King_Alonso, you do need to read to join the forum!

Come on Tea, That's just childish

 

[EL_NANDO]

Great to see you KingAlonso on this forum, the great Alonso supporting partnership can be reunited!

To be fair, Hamilton in my opinion as a flawed driving style, but his 2008 title was not flawed in itself.

PS. KingAlonso check your inbox...

 

[teabagyokel]

I think that as a result of all these emotions we should all agree that the 2008 WDC be awarded to Jenson Button for his gentlemanly conduct in ensuring that nobody got lonely at the back -

I dunno, I think his title would be flawed by the fact he won no races, got no podiums and scored 3 points. And I think Seb Bourdais was more gentlemanly!

 

[cider_and_toast]

I here what your saying TBY but I think Seb Bourdais's title would be flawed.

I think the crown should go to Anthony Davidson and Takuma Sato for graciously stepping aside early in the season to prevent the leaders having to overtake too many back markers.

 

[GeoffP]

Having given this due consideration I think that the only unflawed result would be to share the championship - it's only fair as everyone tried REALLY hard....



By the way, can I have the trophy on 18th October as the Mother-in-Law's coming over for dinner and I want to talk about something other than her bowels!

 

[stefo]

Hamilton won it fair and square. (or as fair and sqaure as modern F1 allows these days)

Like all F1 titles it will fade into memory soon enough. How many people still talk about the Senna/Prost battles of 88 and 89. Did Senna win his title fairly? Who cares to be honest. Schuie/Hill in 94 is the same, Schuies title year was riddled with potential reasons for hims to be stripped of the title right up to and including the coming together with Hill in Adelaide but there you go, the stats are there for all to see. 7 World titles etc.

If people are going to claim that Hamiltons championship year was tainted then I am sure that if you look hard enough you can level that same accusation at almost every World Champion.

Clearly a fake "title.". Not 1, not 2, but 3 manipulated factors to gift Lewis that "title."
The following years saw lewis sink to the true 4-5th place driver he is. 2009-2013, 2022-2024. EIGHT years of mediocrity.
Lewis spent 13 years next to teammates with a COMBINED ONE GP win, and EIGHT years in the Constructors winning car... And still got beat TWICE. Even by a guy with a slower car.
Lewis is no champ. Case. Closed.

 

[Il_leone]

Just remind them of Spa 2008 - 30 seconds for illegal passing the same offence is now 5 seconds.

No one forced Ferrari to use their traffic light pit stop system

 

[Il_leone]

There was still 75% of the race to go !

 

[F1Brits_90]

Just remind them of Spa 2008 - 30 seconds for illegal passing the same offence is now 5 seconds.

No one forced Ferrari to use their traffic light pit stop system

or him spinning around multiple times in rain at silverstone. retiring from the 1st 2 races, whose to say he wouldnt have done that in a normal pitstop

Massa left himself far too much too do & this. where do you start from frankly ridiculous claims. who wouldnt know the truth if it tapped them on the shoulder

Clearly a fake "title.". Not 1, not 2, but 3 manipulated factors to gift Lewis that "title."
The following years saw lewis sink to the true 4-5th place driver he is. 2009-2013, 2022-2024. EIGHT years of mediocrity.