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johnnoble1990
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Not for long...
and by that i don't mean he will fall down the Autosport ranking. 
and by that i don't mean he will fall down the Autosport ranking. AUTOSPORT's 2011 Driver Rankings After 5 Grand Prix Meetings
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RayInTorontoCanada
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John, i'm afraid that if Vettel does well in the Grand Prix tomorrow and Hamilton doesn't get on the podium then AUTOSPORT will give Vettel a higher mark than Hamilton.
Lewis and Lewis' race team at McLaren made a joint decision to not put in a banker lap today...and then Lewis just lifted after passing Massa upon getting his S1 delta on his initial flyer. He should have kept his head down and completed the lap as it would have gotten him 4th on the grid.
Lewis and Lewis' race team at McLaren made a joint decision to not put in a banker lap today...and then Lewis just lifted after passing Massa upon getting his S1 delta on his initial flyer. He should have kept his head down and completed the lap as it would have gotten him 4th on the grid.
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Here are the average ratings for the whole of 2010. Looking at that, i'd say it was a great way to judge respective seasons because despite winning, Vettel did have the best car throughout the season and Alonso made a huge push at the end. Lewis was without a doubt the top driver, with only those 3 races near the end costing him the title in a slower car.
1. Hamilton 8.21
2. Kubica 8.11
3. Alonso 8.05
4. Rosberg 7.89
5. Vettel 7.84
6. Webber 7.47
7. Barrichello 7.26
8. Kovalainen 7.11
=. Button 7.11
10. Senna 6.72
11. Klien 6.67
12. Kobayashi 6.63
13. Chandhok 6.60
14. Sutil 6.58
15. De La Rosa 6.57
16. Glock 6.56
17. Hulkenberg 6.53
18. Trulli 6.47
19. Heidfeld 6.40
20. Alguersuari 6.37
21. Di Grassi 6.33
22. Massa 6.32
23. Schumacher 6.11
24. Buemi 6.00
25. Petrov 5.79
26. Liuzzi 5.74
27. Yamamoto 5.00
1. Hamilton 8.21
2. Kubica 8.11
3. Alonso 8.05
4. Rosberg 7.89
5. Vettel 7.84
6. Webber 7.47
7. Barrichello 7.26
8. Kovalainen 7.11
=. Button 7.11
10. Senna 6.72
11. Klien 6.67
12. Kobayashi 6.63
13. Chandhok 6.60
14. Sutil 6.58
15. De La Rosa 6.57
16. Glock 6.56
17. Hulkenberg 6.53
18. Trulli 6.47
19. Heidfeld 6.40
20. Alguersuari 6.37
21. Di Grassi 6.33
22. Massa 6.32
23. Schumacher 6.11
24. Buemi 6.00
25. Petrov 5.79
26. Liuzzi 5.74
27. Yamamoto 5.00
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johnnoble1990
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2009 Averages
1. Jenson Button (8)
2= Lewis Hamilton (7.76)
2= Mark Webber (7.76)
4. Fernando Alonso (7.59)
5. Felipe Massa (7.56)
6. Sebastian Vettel (7.53)
7. Nico Rosberg (7.29)
8. Rubens Barrichello (7.18)
9. Timo Glock (7.07)
10. Kimi Raikkonen (6.82)
11. Nick Heidfeld (6.24)
12. Robert Kubica (6.06)
13. Jarno Trulli (5.94)
14= Sebastien Buemi (5.88)
14= Adrian Sutil (5.88)
15. Heikki Kovaleinen (5.59)
16. Giancarlo Fisichella (5.47)
17. Sebastian Bourdais (5.33)
18. Nelson Piquet Jr (4.8)
19. Kazuki Nakajima (4.76)
THE SUBS LEAGUE (9 drives or less):
1. Kamui Kobayashi (8.5)
2. Jaime Alguesuari (6.13)
3. Vitantonio Liuzzi (5.8)
4. Romain Grosjean (4.71)
5. Luca Badoer (0.75)
1. Jenson Button (8)
2= Lewis Hamilton (7.76)
2= Mark Webber (7.76)
4. Fernando Alonso (7.59)
5. Felipe Massa (7.56)
6. Sebastian Vettel (7.53)
7. Nico Rosberg (7.29)
8. Rubens Barrichello (7.18)
9. Timo Glock (7.07)
10. Kimi Raikkonen (6.82)
11. Nick Heidfeld (6.24)
12. Robert Kubica (6.06)
13. Jarno Trulli (5.94)
14= Sebastien Buemi (5.88)
14= Adrian Sutil (5.88)
15. Heikki Kovaleinen (5.59)
16. Giancarlo Fisichella (5.47)
17. Sebastian Bourdais (5.33)
18. Nelson Piquet Jr (4.8)
19. Kazuki Nakajima (4.76)
THE SUBS LEAGUE (9 drives or less):
1. Kamui Kobayashi (8.5)
2. Jaime Alguesuari (6.13)
3. Vitantonio Liuzzi (5.8)
4. Romain Grosjean (4.71)
5. Luca Badoer (0.75)
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johnnoble1990
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I personally think Hamilton has proven his all or nothing style works for him. Why would he change on that occasion without the use of hindsight like we have.
Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
... and everyone else is even further adriftHey, John, look at it this way:
Lewis is a lot closer to the # 1 spot in AUTOSPORT's ranking than he is in the WDC points table!
Cheers.
Edit: By the way Ray, Lewis's run was compromised throughout the entire run up to and through Casino Square so his time through the next timing sector would also have shown a significant loss even if he had "got on it" after clearing Massa. No way was that lap going to be recovered.
RayInTorontoCanada
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Fenderman,
No, because by the S1 delta point, he'd already passed Massa.
Casino Square is before the S1 timing point.
If that McLaren was "good enough for pole in Hamilton's hands", then the rest of the lap would have still gotten him 4th fastest time...good enough for Row Two on the grid.
John,
Lewis is learning about not being "all or none"...he did that after flat-spotting in Malaysian qualifying by saving tyres in China qualifying and, thus, winning the race.
It's not "hindsight" to realize that Lewis/Lewis' race team ought to have sent him out for an early banker. Everyone else did! Button too!
What has "all or none" got to do with being smart about Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying?
Nothing!
If you want to win Championships, you have to take a wider view...look at the big picture.
"All or none" in a over-taking manoeuver is one thing...but it has absolutely nothing to do with approaching Monaco Q3 smartly.
And this isn't hindsight.
No, because by the S1 delta point, he'd already passed Massa.
Casino Square is before the S1 timing point.
If that McLaren was "good enough for pole in Hamilton's hands", then the rest of the lap would have still gotten him 4th fastest time...good enough for Row Two on the grid.
John,
Lewis is learning about not being "all or none"...he did that after flat-spotting in Malaysian qualifying by saving tyres in China qualifying and, thus, winning the race.
It's not "hindsight" to realize that Lewis/Lewis' race team ought to have sent him out for an early banker. Everyone else did! Button too!
What has "all or none" got to do with being smart about Monaco Grand Prix Qualifying?
Nothing!
If you want to win Championships, you have to take a wider view...look at the big picture.
"All or none" in a over-taking manoeuver is one thing...but it has absolutely nothing to do with approaching Monaco Q3 smartly.
And this isn't hindsight.
Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
My point, in case you missed it, was that his time was compromised to the extent that the loss would be carried through into the next sector and for the rest of the lap. I was not saying that his sector 2 time would necessarily be slower or faster but as every racing driver knows a problem or mistake in one corner always compromises the next. Since Monaco is more or less a track where one corner runs into another it is not rocket science to understand that his lap was not going to get any better and more than likely to get worse. Lewis's rythm was upset and although I think he's one of the best out there I do not think he is superhuman. It's also notable that he himself knew full well his circumstance, probably much better than you or I.
RayInTorontoCanada
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Why would the loss be "carried through" when he'd already passed Massa?
Massa was already behind him before Hamilton got to the Sector 1 timing point after Casino Square.
Look at Vettel's Pole lap.
Vettel had to pass a slower car on his Pole lap too.
No one was going to get a clean lap in...Not at a place like Monaco...Not on a short lap like 1:14s and 1:15s.
I don't mean to sound silly, but every race track "is more or less a track where one corner runs into another..."
Massa was already behind him before Hamilton got to the Sector 1 timing point after Casino Square.
Look at Vettel's Pole lap.
Vettel had to pass a slower car on his Pole lap too.
No one was going to get a clean lap in...Not at a place like Monaco...Not on a short lap like 1:14s and 1:15s.
I don't mean to sound silly, but every race track "is more or less a track where one corner runs into another..."
This thread seems to be morphing into the other thread...
http://cliptheapex.com/threads/why-didnt-hamilton-complete-his-flyer-for-a-top-4-time.2792/
http://cliptheapex.com/threads/why-didnt-hamilton-complete-his-flyer-for-a-top-4-time.2792/
RayInTorontoCanada
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I'm off here...Enjoy the Grand Prix!
TN23
Rookie
John,
I know its a bizzare set of results, which is why I concluded afterwards that it wasn't a great idea to rank drivers in this way. I really don't understand why I got such strange results on a race-by-race basis marking out of 10 for qualifying and race.
I won't try that again, I think...
I know its a bizzare set of results, which is why I concluded afterwards that it wasn't a great idea to rank drivers in this way. I really don't understand why I got such strange results on a race-by-race basis marking out of 10 for qualifying and race.
I won't try that again, I think...
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