Grand Prix 2021 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

The Summer break is nearly over. Hurrah! The first race back is at one of the classic motor racing circuits. Hurrah! Probably for the first time ever I hope that it doesn't rain as this was what things looked like in June.


Not so much Eau Rouge as Eau Merde.

The last couple of races have set things up quite nicely for the titles races. Red Bull appear to have "awakened the Kraken" at Brackley with a, in my opinion, very poorly managed PR strategy following the incident between Max and Lewis at Silverstone. It looked like Merc had sort of written this season off after the early races as they got things ready for 2022. The anti-Hamilton onslaught seems to have given the (not) Silver Arrows a bit of an incentive to make some upgrades to the car, which has brought it back closer to the Red Bull, maybe even ahead.

I suspect that the completely over the top reaction from all concerned will have consequences with how these things are handled in future. F1 teams have tried to run the sport for too long now and those in charge need to help them understand that they are participants, not the stewards or rule makers. Yes, of course, they have a vested interest in the sport, but their vested interest is about helping them win rather than what is best for the sport more generally.

One simple solution would be to not allow the teams any contact/discussion with either the Race Director or Stewards whilst the race is in progress. The Race Director, from what I have read, is responsible for making the timetable work and deciding if the race should be slowed or stopped via the VSC, safety car or with red flags. The Stewards are there simply to consider, investigate and make decisions on incidents involving cars on track. Their decisions should be, and be seen to be, completely impartial and there should be no involvement or influence from anyone in any F1 team.

F1 teams should not be able to ask the Stewards to investigate an incident. They should not be allowed to contact the Stewards during the race, for any reason. If the Stewards issue a penalty, or decide not to, the teams should have no right to appeal whilst the race is in progress. Should a team not implement a penalty within the time decreed within the rules there should be additional sanction, preferably (from my perspective at least) with the car being black flagged.

After the race there should probably be a formal meeting between a nominated representative of each team where the Stewards go through the decision, with the hope that by explaining why the did what they did this would go back to the team and the drivers and maybe they wouldn't do it again. Of course there needs to be a right of appeal, but by not allowing it to take place during the race I would hope most teams would accept whatever punishment is meted out without complaint. I would also suggest that should a team appeal a decision as "too lenient" there should be some consequence for them if the appeal is not upheld. Perhaps a fine, maybe points deducted from the Constructors Championship.

I would also suggest that the press corp needs to take a step back. The push for an "instant response" from the team principal or some team hanger on exacerbates the situation. I would also like to see an end to the chat with the pit wall between the commentary team and a chosen race team. This is for a number of reasons: as already mentioned, the need for an instant response, but also because the discussions which I have witnessed are trite, pointless, and offer non insight in to the race, the teams plans or strategy.

If you would like to join me in this fantasy world where the teams teams listen to, and abide by the Stewards decisions, with no outward complaint or histrionics do switch on the next WEC or Formula E race and see how they manage it.

The race is on between 27th and 29th August and lasts for 44 laps. There will be lots of orange around the circuit, although this is more a home race for Max Verstappen than race in the Netherlands the weekend after as this Dutchman was born in Hasselt, Belgium (If I were born in a stable would it make me a horse?). Expect Lewis Hamilton to be booed every time he takes his helmet off. Hopefully it will not go beyond him being the pantomime villain.

Enjoy the race
 
i understand that rain was out their control. it cant helped but how it was handled was poor. the fact we had a podium was more cringeworthy than indy 2005

we should have been racing. why not race tomorrow. ive seen it with many races in indycar, indy 500. even had grand national on a Monday.

but what has changed between today, what we saw Spa 1998, Malaysia 2009, or Austrian/Styrian Qualifying 2020 . was the sport reckless back then even though it happened it was still wrong or are we too safety cautious now
 
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The spectators at the Spa 2021 track are worthy of respect.
But the FIA rulers of the stage, who kept people in the rain for several hours,
realizing that the rain would not allow the race to be held,
this is a shame
 
Anything that took place before the second time the cars came out is void. Why? Because the FIA said this was not part of the start process and we know this because that's how Perez was allowed to start.

Apparently, article 6.5 says if the race is suspended under article 41 and the race leader has completed 2 laps or less then no points shall be awarded.

Even if you pretend the cars started from the pit lane on the second occasion and there was no formation lap, then the race leader only completed 2 laps therefore no points should be awarded.

Once again the FIA manage to make a colossal fuck up when trying to apply their own rules

:facepalm:
 
In the small print at the bottom they're claiming that the leader crossed the control line 3 times. Therefore it was more than 2 laps

They're making this up as they go along again.
 
In the small print at the bottom they're claiming that the leader crossed the control line 3 times. Therefore it ws more than 2 laps

They're making this up as they go along again.
What’s a control line if not the start/finish line?
 
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According the the FIA regulations it is the line that marks the end of a lap so yeah, it's the start / finish line.

It seems they're counting the first formation lap as part of the race distance to claim a race but not as part of the race to allow Perez to start the race.

:dunno:
 
According the the FIA regulations it is the line that marks the end of a lap so yeah, it's the start / finish line.

It seems they're counting the first formation lap as part of the race distance to claim a race but not as part of the race to allow Perez to start the race.

:dunno:
Found this quote from Masi. Making it up as they go along seems pretty accurate.

“There’s been three laps completed, so the third lap was completed as the cars crossed the control line in the fast lane (of the pit lane),” Masi said. “Then the classification for points is taken on the penultimate lap before the lap when the signal was given, so there’s two separate points. One is what’s done to complete a race, one is what’s done on the basis of championship points.

“There’s two separate matters, I should say. The first matter is there were three laps completed once they came in — three completed laps — however, the classification for the issuing of points is taken upon the penultimate lap before the lap, so that’s what the classification is based on. But for the fact of completing the races we’ve done three laps.”
 
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