Grand Prix 2021 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

The Summer break is nearly over. Hurrah! The first race back is at one of the classic motor racing circuits. Hurrah! Probably for the first time ever I hope that it doesn't rain as this was what things looked like in June.


Not so much Eau Rouge as Eau Merde.

The last couple of races have set things up quite nicely for the titles races. Red Bull appear to have "awakened the Kraken" at Brackley with a, in my opinion, very poorly managed PR strategy following the incident between Max and Lewis at Silverstone. It looked like Merc had sort of written this season off after the early races as they got things ready for 2022. The anti-Hamilton onslaught seems to have given the (not) Silver Arrows a bit of an incentive to make some upgrades to the car, which has brought it back closer to the Red Bull, maybe even ahead.

I suspect that the completely over the top reaction from all concerned will have consequences with how these things are handled in future. F1 teams have tried to run the sport for too long now and those in charge need to help them understand that they are participants, not the stewards or rule makers. Yes, of course, they have a vested interest in the sport, but their vested interest is about helping them win rather than what is best for the sport more generally.

One simple solution would be to not allow the teams any contact/discussion with either the Race Director or Stewards whilst the race is in progress. The Race Director, from what I have read, is responsible for making the timetable work and deciding if the race should be slowed or stopped via the VSC, safety car or with red flags. The Stewards are there simply to consider, investigate and make decisions on incidents involving cars on track. Their decisions should be, and be seen to be, completely impartial and there should be no involvement or influence from anyone in any F1 team.

F1 teams should not be able to ask the Stewards to investigate an incident. They should not be allowed to contact the Stewards during the race, for any reason. If the Stewards issue a penalty, or decide not to, the teams should have no right to appeal whilst the race is in progress. Should a team not implement a penalty within the time decreed within the rules there should be additional sanction, preferably (from my perspective at least) with the car being black flagged.

After the race there should probably be a formal meeting between a nominated representative of each team where the Stewards go through the decision, with the hope that by explaining why the did what they did this would go back to the team and the drivers and maybe they wouldn't do it again. Of course there needs to be a right of appeal, but by not allowing it to take place during the race I would hope most teams would accept whatever punishment is meted out without complaint. I would also suggest that should a team appeal a decision as "too lenient" there should be some consequence for them if the appeal is not upheld. Perhaps a fine, maybe points deducted from the Constructors Championship.

I would also suggest that the press corp needs to take a step back. The push for an "instant response" from the team principal or some team hanger on exacerbates the situation. I would also like to see an end to the chat with the pit wall between the commentary team and a chosen race team. This is for a number of reasons: as already mentioned, the need for an instant response, but also because the discussions which I have witnessed are trite, pointless, and offer non insight in to the race, the teams plans or strategy.

If you would like to join me in this fantasy world where the teams teams listen to, and abide by the Stewards decisions, with no outward complaint or histrionics do switch on the next WEC or Formula E race and see how they manage it.

The race is on between 27th and 29th August and lasts for 44 laps. There will be lots of orange around the circuit, although this is more a home race for Max Verstappen than race in the Netherlands the weekend after as this Dutchman was born in Hasselt, Belgium (If I were born in a stable would it make me a horse?). Expect Lewis Hamilton to be booed every time he takes his helmet off. Hopefully it will not go beyond him being the pantomime villain.

Enjoy the race
 
One of the best days coverage on Test Match Special I ever listened to was a rained off day at Headingley. Four old chaps talking cricket, it was fabulous.

As to this race, after it was called I went out for a run. When I came back I said to my good lady "I presume they didn't do the champagne spraying", "Oh yes they did" she replied.

They have some neck at FOM don't they.
 
10 out of 10 to Jack Nicholls, Jolyon Palmer & Andrew Benson for a highly entertaining four hours on BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra.
yeah ive heard good things about this, i enjoy them 3 never miss the podcasts they put out on a weekend & so im going to have to catch up on that thru bbc sounds hopefully, while im at work tomorrow.
 
Found this quote from Masi. Making it up as they go along seems pretty accurate.

“There’s been three laps completed, so the third lap was completed as the cars crossed the control line in the fast lane (of the pit lane),” Masi said. “Then the classification for points is taken on the penultimate lap before the lap when the signal was given, so there’s two separate points. One is what’s done to complete a race, one is what’s done on the basis of championship points.

“There’s two separate matters, I should say. The first matter is there were three laps completed once they came in — three completed laps — however, the classification for the issuing of points is taken upon the penultimate lap before the lap, so that’s what the classification is based on. But for the fact of completing the races we’ve done three laps.”
Which basically says we have one rule for race completion which is in accordance with the FIA sporting regulations and we have another which we've just invented to get us around a monumental fuck up and justify the payment of various contracts.

They can't even lie convincingly.
 
When I came back I said to my good lady "I presume they didn't do the champagne spraying", "Oh yes they did" she replied.

They have some neck at FOM don't they.
i was stunned they had a podium
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still annoyed that yesterday was just a box ticking event & also that F1 couldnt move things 24hrs, as i dont get the excuses. yes marshalls but im sure they could stay another day, travel isnt an issue 172 miles is the equivalent of silverstone to blackpool. ive seen so many massive events on a par with F1 that have managed it. moto gp moved a race to monday in qatar i believe, england had world cup qualifier in poland that was rained off but they didnt cancel it giving a point each, they moved it 24hrs to the wednesday. the biggest horse race in the world, grand national got moved from saturday to monday instead of cancelled. i Hope F1 Learns from this & builds in a Reserve day if needed.

also thing of the viewing figures, you wouldve had so many sporting neutrals because there is nothing else on today sporting wise, with the paralympics finishing the days events in the morning
 
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i was stunned they had a podium
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still annoyed that yesterday was just a box ticking event & also that F1 couldnt move things 24hrs, as i dont get the excuses. yes marshalls but im sure they could stay another day, travel isnt an issue 172 miles is the equivalent of silverstone to blackpool. ive seen so many massive events on a par with F1 that have managed it. moto gp moved a race to monday in qatar i believe, england had world cup qualifier in poland that was rained off but they didnt cancel it giving a point each, they moved it 24hrs to the wednesday. the biggest horse race in the world, grand national got moved from saturday to monday instead of cancelled. i Hope F1 Learns from this & builds in a Reserve day if needed.

also thing of the viewing figures, you wouldve had so many sporting neutrals because there is nothing else on today sporting wise, with the paralympics finishing the days events in the morning
100%
 
F1Brits_90 it will be so wound up in contracts unfortunately.
probably so but very frustrating when every other sport can & F1 cant. but as we know not the 1st or last time F1 will shoot its self in the foot

agree Brogan horrible mess, 1 of my things & drummed into me & u drum into my neices & nephews. leave it how you find it. i know from Glastonbury mess what is reported. that by a new tent every yr & leave it
 
In America , admittedly a long time ago , in Yosemite national park there were notices everywhere that said “Pack it in . Pack it out”
Simple, but effective.
 
Michael Masi should be sacked for his poor handling of the whole weekend - starting from the Q3 conditions

I notice Red Bull seem to be rejoicing and not moaning for once ... another thread said Will Verstappen be the most undeserving champion... will he will be if he wins by less than 5 pts because of yesterday's fix ... I mean farce
 
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