Grand Prix 2016 Brazilian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

And so the F1 bandwagon roles south from Mexico and reaches Sao Paulo and the Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace. A final reminder of what a great F1 track looks like before the season reaches its final stop in yet another concrete utopia built in the vision of Herman.

I've made no secret of the fact that I love this track and in particular the first set of turns. Known as the 'Senna S' as any vaguely S shaped set of corners was named across the globe in Senna's honour, at least this set of turns gives credence to that title. Off the line, drivers are faced with a down hill left hand turn with a good deal of camber before switching to a right and change of camber then a long sweeping left. Unlike Mexico where you could take no part of a corner and come out quickly on the other side, here you tend to slither off down hill and keep going and going across a long grass field.

For the championship battle, Nico continues to do just enough to do enough for the title. This must frustrate the living daylights out of his team mate who, even though he is demonstrably quicker than Nico, has no control over his own fate should his team mate keep finishing second. Of course, should Nico win here then it's all done and dusted.

For Hamilton, this track remains one of very few on the list of circuits he's not yet beaten. It still holds special memories of course as it is the place where he thrillingly tied up his first World drivers crown and few can forget that moment. There's no reason at all why he can't win here this weekend and keep the pressure on Rosberg but even over the last few years when Hamilton has been at his absolute best in terms of pace and driving, Rosberg has managed to win this GP twice. This year it has to be win or bust for Hamilton.

All the focus will be on the two silver cars at the front of the grid so instead of looking at the rest of the field, pretending I'm some sort of F1 reporter and trying to review and predict the outcomes down the grid, I'm actually going to focus on one driver.

For one driver on the grid, the other man on that fateful day for Hamilton, this track certainly holds mixed feelings. For the 15th and final time, Felipe Massa will be taking to the grid at his home GP. A native of Sao Paulo this has always been a homecoming for Felipe but with such a bitter taste. For around 30 seconds, before Hamilton pounced on a struggling Timo Glock, he was the 2008 World Champion. Joy turned to heartbreak in front of the worlds camera's. The first Brazilian to win his home GP since the late great Ayrton Senna had been denied the world championship in the space of a few hundred yards. You could point to his exit of the pit lane in Singapore towing half of his fuel rig behind him as the moment he lost the championship, or the moment a few races later when he was comfortably leading when his engine let go with just 3 laps left, but neither will be remembered as much as that Brazilian race.

And so it passed that Brazil 2008 was the final win of Massa's career. His performance in 2009 was still strong but ended with an horrifying head injury in a freak accident. After that, I'm sure most will agree, he was never the same driver. Culminating in 'that message' at the German GP where he was reminded about the speed of his team mate. The fact that on that day, at that time, Alonso was faster than him is not the point, it's the fact that his friend and race engineer, Rob Smedley had to tell him of that fact in a not very coded message witnessed by the whole of F1, that was the hammer blow. The last few years at Williams have brought 5 podiums and 1 pole but this season, in the face of a poor car and falling points returns, he's decided to call time on his career.

So farewell Felipe baby, the 30 second world champion. When it comes to winning races, your name is on the same list as so many other great Brazilian drivers, you should be proud of a long, and on balance successful career in F1. It's slightly worrying that, as it stands, the only representative from Brazil on the grid next season will be Felipe Nasr. Somehow, I think it will be a few more years before a Brazilian driver emulates Massa, Senna, et al and stands on the top step of their home GP.

What ever happens this weekend, let's hope it's a great race.
 
A wet race would suit a team like Mclaren where horsepower becomes less of an issue

Red Bull should have won USA last year when it was wet they clearly had a much better car than Mercedes

If its wet it will suit Hamilton more than Rosberg
 
Hamilton has never won there in part because he won his first WDC by driving a careful race finishing in no higher a position place than he needed to.

This is unlike Rosberg in that Rosberg should go flat out for the win otherwise his WDC would have no validity.
 
This is unlike Rosberg in that Rosberg should go flat out for the win otherwise his WDC would have no validity.

I want to assume you are joking or are you the institution that rules on the validity of a WDC?

This complete discussion about Rosberg being a worthy and deserving champion and whether his title would be valid is utter nonsense.

The fact of the matter is the driver with the most points is crowned champion, regardless of the number of wins in comparison to his competitors or if his competitors may have lost more points due to technical failures - of which Hamilton throughout his F1 career has, as far as I am aware, always had more in comparison to his teammates of each season which raises a few questions.

No other institution other than the FIA crowns the world champion. Every driver that wins the WDC is a worthy, deserving and valid champion, regardless of the circumstances unless there is foul play involved.
 
Why does everybody seem to think a wet race would favour Red Bull?
  1. A wet race decreases the chance of a Mercedes win, due to the chaotic nature of it. Red Bull are surely the most likely team to benefit.
  2. Red Bull have clearly overperformed in the wet in the 2014 hybrid era. They were clearly second best at Suzuka in 2014 (the only true full wet race) when that was not a done deal in the dry. They also looked best in the wet period in the 2015 US Grand Prix, and should have won in Monaco in 2016.
  3. It doesn't have to be Red Bull. Just seems a more reasonable prediction than the chaos of Ferrari or the slow-in-the-wet Williams. Hulkenburg?
 
Rutherford your wish is my command, I was joking. As far as I am concerned the driver with the most points is the WDC but there are others who say that the title will be tainted if Hamilton wins more races and is still only second. I believe that nice Mr Ecclestone (also a joke) proposed that the title be decided on a medals system; there was string opposition at the time but then Rosberg did not look like being the WDC.
 
  1. A wet race decreases the chance of a Mercedes win, due to the chaotic nature of it. Red Bull are surely the most likely team to benefit.
  2. Red Bull have clearly overperformed in the wet in the 2014 hybrid era. They were clearly second best at Suzuka in 2014 (the only true full wet race) when that was not a done deal in the dry. They also looked best in the wet period in the 2015 US Grand Prix, and should have won in Monaco in 2016.
  3. It doesn't have to be Red Bull. Just seems a more reasonable prediction than the chaos of Ferrari or the slow-in-the-wet Williams. Hulkenburg?
Hülkenberg has always been outstanding in Interlagos. Mixed conditions with half wet/half dry and he'll be a candidate for a place in the top 5.
 
fastest lap and pole would work if the field was more competitive so to do that you have to restrict the leading teams from outspending but off course Ferrari and Red Bull would kick a fuss because they could say their finances did not come from F1

Then we would start looking at what defines to be a budget for an F1 team ?

A mixed weather race would be great for everyone and would be a test of Rosberg's skill as well under that sort of pressure

The only issue I have is if Mercedes insist that the drivers are on the same strategy which negates any advantage to be gained which really they should not be dictating now
 
I don't, who wants a world champion because he got a fastest lap?
I would think that a driver would have to do a whole lot more than just fastest laps to be WDC. It would be interesting to see lower ranked teams come in with 3 laps to go to swap tires and go for fastest lap in order to get a point.
 
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Fastest lap and pole should never, ever be worthy of points. Qualifying is a heat to see where you start in the race. A heat. Not a race. There are no points or prizes for winning a heat. End of. Fastest lap can be engineered via a timely tyre-change, so is invalid too.
 
I do see the point that marksawatsky that a quick tyre swap to gain a point would be an incentive. I mean all the front runners like to do the Grand Chelem - pole, win and fastest lap

Aint points awarded in GP2 for pole and fastest lap ? so if only they could equalise the field a bit more then it would be realistic to apply this rule but that never will happen in F1
 
There is also a system in GP2 whereby the top eight finishers in the first race make up the first eight in the second race but in reverse order. I for one would be totally against that in F1 just as I would be if F1 started giving points for things which are not racing.
 
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