Grand Prix 2012 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

With the flyaway races finished for the time being the F1 bandwagon rolls into Europe for the first time for the Spanish Grand Prix. Traditionally this race hasn't provided the most entertaining of races with the pole sitter more often than not going on to win the race. 2011 was no exception as pole sitter Sebastian Vettel went on to win the race, however he wasn't by any means cruising as Lewis Hamilton charged him down and almost managed to take the lead off the young German but ran out of laps as he just couldn't get into the DRS window around a track that is difficult to overtake on.

Going into this years race it is virtually impossible on who is going to win the race. So far there have been 4 different winners with Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel all having stood on the top step of the podium so far this season and there hasn't been any team which has been consistently at the front at all four races with everyone having their fair share of problems and also benefiting from other peoples problems. The only truly consistent teams seem to be in the regions of midfield with teams like Williams who are now regular contenders for points after their 2012 car is proving to be far better than their dismal 2011 effort which barely managed to get a point and they have already surpassed last years total in just 4 races which isn't a bad achievement considering both drivers weren't exactly tipped for great things this season.

The buzzword at Mclaren at the moment and particularly for Lewis Hamilton is undoubtedly pit stops after a series of poor stops destroyed his race in Bahrain and also in Australia when he got caught out by the safety car. Jenson Button has also been affected by poor pit stops which show how these aren't isolated incidents and it is something that Mclaren urgently need to address as there is virtually no chance of getting on the podium let alone winning a race if they keep botching pit stops, for example, Hamilton lost well over 20 seconds from just pit stop problems which robbed them of at the very least 4th place if not a podium but this was probably unlikely given the supreme pace of Raikkonen and Grosjean in the lotus cars.

Indeed, lotus finally managed their most consistent race of the season and showed that they have designed a very fast race car as Kimi Raikkonen very nearly won his first race since returning to the sport in only his fourth race as an aggressive race saw him get within striking distance of leader Vettel but ultimately fell slightly away and had to settle for second which was still a fantastic result and with Grosjean finishing a comfortable third things are looking up for lotus going into the European season.

Barcelona is traditionally a hot and dry race although there have been wet races before although there hasn't been a rain affected race for a good number of years now. However it will be still difficult to suggest a possible winner as it depends who was the most productive at the Mugello test which starts today (Tuesday 1st May) and teams like Ferrari are banking that the raft of updates and upgrades that they will bring to the car for Barcelona will kick start their stuttering season which would be a boost for Fernando Alonso at his home race and an improved car would easily give him a good chance of a third drivers championship as he has already won a race in the below average Ferrari that is lower points at best at this moment in time but that could change for Barcelona and they will need to otherwise heads could be rolling at Maranello if Ferrari are out of the Championship before it has barely got going.

For Galahad 's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-catalunya/
 
I don't think so Bro', but this is the third time Michael's done it since he came back. Is there a pattern developing there? Perhaps, that may, rightly or wrongly, have influenced the Stewards decision to assign fault and impose a penalty. Just speculation on my part, I assure you.
 
Yes but decisions should not be made on who the driver is. Decisions should be objectively assessed in the same way every time, otherwise inconsistencies occur. So basically it looks as though stewards do take into account which driver did what...
 
100% objectivity is impossible for humans to achieve. Everyone carries a load of mental baggage accumulated over time. Such baggage is often exacerbated by an individual's personal prejudices and bias. It is a rare person who can leave all of it behind when sitting in judgement upon others. An individual or a group's patterns of behaviour (i.e. repeated errors of a similar nature) may be such that bias or prejudicial ideas may become reinforced over time. Consciously or otherwise, those investigating and/or sitting in judgement on others will be influenced by their own accumulated knowledge and their perception of behavioural patterns. Whether they or we like it or not their decisions will reflect their bias and prejudice, no matter how well they may try suppress it.

As it happens, whilst there are aspects of Michael's driving that I admire I, personally, have a problem with him having tail-ended someone on three different occasions since his return to F1. Once is an accident, twice is an :thinking:accident, thrice is a problem ... that maybe he needs to sit back, think about and say to himself "hang on, what was my part in this?"
 
Nothing has been said of the penalties handed down to Vettel and Massa.

I can't recall a driver being penalised during a race for "failing to slow for yellow flags" prior to this race.

Is this a sign the stewards are going to be a lot stricter or is it just this particular bunch for this particular race?

It looked to me like there was heavy local influence on some of the stewarding decisions all weekend. Pic was given a drive through for not yielding to Alonso under blue flags and I thought that was very harsh. Arguably Maldonado lost more time behind the HRT yet no penalties were dished out.
 
I suspect you're right Quintessentially, it seems more often than not the unusual steward decisions seem tailored, as you say Maldonado was held much more by the HRT.
Perhaps the 'local influence' also gave the Red Bull front wings a swift kick on their way past too (only joking!)
 
I found this race exceeded expectations, my neighbour refused to watch it they were so annoyed on Saturday evening.
A shame because they missed a surprisingly good race, tense to the end, some great overtaking moves all down the field & it was a bit of a myth-buster.
Seb can overtake, showing some gutsy clean moves and Lewis does not destroy his tyres.
All in all a :thumbsup:from me.
 
It looked to me like there was heavy local influence on some of the stewarding decisions all weekend. Pic was given a drive through for not yielding to Alonso under blue flags and I thought that was very harsh. Arguably Maldonado lost more time behind the HRT yet no penalties were dished out.

I doubt Pic was given a drive through just for that incident...
 
All weekend Maldonado was showing a mature side to him. It doesn't really surprise me that he got a good result. I think this win will give him the confidence he needs to go through the rest of the season saying "I can score big points". Reckon Ferrari will be kicking themselves for not seeing Williams plans to undercut them at the second stop. But considering where Ferrari and Alonso have been in the first few dry races, this is still a good result.

Think Kimi's chances of winning faded at the first pit stop when he was still on the softer rubber, when it was quite clear that the harder tyre was the one to be on. Reckon this was another race that got away from Lotus and Kimi, fingers crossed they'll be winning together soon. Grosjean did a nice little race again and picked up some decent points to go to the constructors championship, 4th place in your 5th race back is pretty good going still. Reckon Grosjean might be a regular points scorer for the rest of the season if he keeps his nose clean.

Solid performance from Kobayashi yesterday aswell. Nice to see the Kobayashi of old back, taking no prisioners and overtaking drivers like he did in his debut season. 5th was about as best a result Kobayashi could have hoped for, stellar job.

How Vettel managed to finish 6th with a drive through and 3 trips through the pit lane for tyres and a new nose is beyond me. Vettel showing that he is a racer with two stellar moves on Jenson Button and one on Nico Rosberg.

Disappointed with Rosberg's performance, after his start he suddenly started fading away and Mercedes must be disappointed that the performance isn't there. 7th was probably a result that justified their performance.

Well you can't use the Lewis is harder on his tyres quote now, after a stunning 2 stopper worked for Lewis he got his rewards by finishing 8th from the back. Probably and should have won the race had he started on Pole but nonetheless in this F1 day and age 8th from the back is a maverlous achievement. Also finishing infront of Jenson Button again must have made him smile. Also the double overtake on the two Toro Rosso's was awesome.

Well from been disappointed with Rosbergs performance, Jenson Buttons performance made me furious at him. Not only did he finish behind his teammate who started at the back of the grid but he also let Vettel overtake him way too easily. Button complained about the tyres all afternoon and really didn't look motivated enough to go out and get a good result. Very unimpressed with Button, think he needs to look at his performances from the back end of last season and win in Melbourne to get him going again in this championship.

Very impressed who Nico Hulkenberg held off the pressure from Mark Webber in the final few laps to gain himself and Force India some much needed points. Plus finishing ahead of Paul who was still in the race surely must have put a smile on the Germans face.

On the whole Schumacher and Senna crash, Schumacher was totally at fault and deserves his grid drop for Monaco. If he's still in F1 next season, then Mercedes need shooting Schumi is getting too old to be going head to head with these young whipper snappers.

All in all decent race and DRS was much more better this season. Sorry for the essay, just letting off some steam.
 
RasputinLives.......I know Ras, I got it wrong. LOL Great race though. No one could help feeling happy for Maldonado.
After everyone righting off Ferrari though I still stand by what I've always said, the second half of the season will be stunning. I also predicted Alonso being in the top three by Silverstone. Their position now is a surprise to everyone I think. There will be a lot more to come from this car yet and I'm picking Alonso will be very strong at Monaco. :)

Cheers Ras. Kewee's off to bed. :yawn: :sleeping:
 
To be fair Kewee even with him on pole I think there were very few people expecting Maldonado to cross the line first so you weren't alone in that.

I'm not sure this race signals the Ferrari revial just yet just once again that Fernando can pull it out the bag when he needs to although I think he was a bit lucky to stay in front of Kimi in the end. If Lotus had made the right tyre choice I think their positions may have been reversed.

I always expect Alonso to be strong at Monaco whether he's driving a Ferrari or a shopping trolly but with Lewis looking on form, Kimi chomping at the bit and even our friend Pastor, who's a known Monaco specialist, in the glow and confidence of a first win I expect competition to tough. In my head there are 12 - possibley 14 drivers that if they have a good day could win at Monaco in 2 weeks time. Mental.
 
Didn't Alonso at the press conference allude to some sort of problem other than tyres in the last few laps or something? Like bits of bodywork missing or something like that?
 
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