Grand Prix 2012 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

With the flyaway races finished for the time being the F1 bandwagon rolls into Europe for the first time for the Spanish Grand Prix. Traditionally this race hasn't provided the most entertaining of races with the pole sitter more often than not going on to win the race. 2011 was no exception as pole sitter Sebastian Vettel went on to win the race, however he wasn't by any means cruising as Lewis Hamilton charged him down and almost managed to take the lead off the young German but ran out of laps as he just couldn't get into the DRS window around a track that is difficult to overtake on.

Going into this years race it is virtually impossible on who is going to win the race. So far there have been 4 different winners with Jenson Button, Fernando Alonso, Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel all having stood on the top step of the podium so far this season and there hasn't been any team which has been consistently at the front at all four races with everyone having their fair share of problems and also benefiting from other peoples problems. The only truly consistent teams seem to be in the regions of midfield with teams like Williams who are now regular contenders for points after their 2012 car is proving to be far better than their dismal 2011 effort which barely managed to get a point and they have already surpassed last years total in just 4 races which isn't a bad achievement considering both drivers weren't exactly tipped for great things this season.

The buzzword at Mclaren at the moment and particularly for Lewis Hamilton is undoubtedly pit stops after a series of poor stops destroyed his race in Bahrain and also in Australia when he got caught out by the safety car. Jenson Button has also been affected by poor pit stops which show how these aren't isolated incidents and it is something that Mclaren urgently need to address as there is virtually no chance of getting on the podium let alone winning a race if they keep botching pit stops, for example, Hamilton lost well over 20 seconds from just pit stop problems which robbed them of at the very least 4th place if not a podium but this was probably unlikely given the supreme pace of Raikkonen and Grosjean in the lotus cars.

Indeed, lotus finally managed their most consistent race of the season and showed that they have designed a very fast race car as Kimi Raikkonen very nearly won his first race since returning to the sport in only his fourth race as an aggressive race saw him get within striking distance of leader Vettel but ultimately fell slightly away and had to settle for second which was still a fantastic result and with Grosjean finishing a comfortable third things are looking up for lotus going into the European season.

Barcelona is traditionally a hot and dry race although there have been wet races before although there hasn't been a rain affected race for a good number of years now. However it will be still difficult to suggest a possible winner as it depends who was the most productive at the Mugello test which starts today (Tuesday 1st May) and teams like Ferrari are banking that the raft of updates and upgrades that they will bring to the car for Barcelona will kick start their stuttering season which would be a boost for Fernando Alonso at his home race and an improved car would easily give him a good chance of a third drivers championship as he has already won a race in the below average Ferrari that is lower points at best at this moment in time but that could change for Barcelona and they will need to otherwise heads could be rolling at Maranello if Ferrari are out of the Championship before it has barely got going.

For Galahad 's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-catalunya/
 
I believe the commentator was referring to the pause when Lewis thought he may have run over his rear jackman.

But commentator's are by nature stupid so perhaps I am giving him too much credit.
 
McLaren should have put Lewis on a 5 stop strategy and let him use the tyres and his natural inclination and ability for overtaking rather than pootling about conserving fuel and tyres for a measly 4 points. Seb did three stops and a drive through and finished in front of him for goodness sake. :(
 
Nothing has been said of the penalties handed down to Vettel and Massa.

I can't recall a driver being penalised during a race for "failing to slow for yellow flags" prior to this race.

Is this a sign the stewards are going to be a lot stricter or is it just this particular bunch for this particular race?
 
Nothing has been said of the penalties handed down to Vettel and Massa.

I can't recall a driver being penalised during a race for "failing to slow for yellow flags" prior to this race.

Is this a sign the stewards are going to be a lot stricter or is it just this particular bunch for this particular race?
I'm probably imagining it but I thought hamilton got a 5 place grid drop last year for ignoring yellow flags. I couldn't say what race though so I might be imagining that.

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From the wiki page for the Indian grand prix

"Hamilton however, had set his time when yellow flags had been shown in the final sector for Pastor Maldonado's stricken Williams, and was given a three-place grid penalty.[19] Sauber's Sergio Pérez received a three-place penalty for a similar offence."
 
Brogan

I think someone got punished before for this, but I'm not sure who or when.


Great race anyhow, and does this finally put to bed the assumption that Vettel can't overtake? I guess not!
Maldonado was just superb today though. Absolutely amazing.
 
In 2011 Hamilton and Perez were given 3 place grid drops for ignoring double waved yellows during FP1 of the Indian GP.

Perez was also penalised for overtaking under yellow flags at a different GP.

I have all of the penalties in a spreadsheet so I'll check later.
 
Mephistopheles

I do sympathise with Michael though as I think the incident was largely caused my miscommunication from Senna's change of direction. Schumacher should've braked earlier though, as it is his responsibility to chose a braking point relative to the driver in front. It does go back to the argument I constantly make that it takes 2 to tango. I think if you chose to make a change of direction that late then your chances of being hit are higher. I think both drivers were punished by the incident itself. I really think that should be the end of the story.
 
On a separate note, today was the first time I listened to the new BBC commentary, having previously always watched BBC up till race and then turned over for Crofty and Brundle. I think Crofty is great in practice because he is quite laid back and has great chemistry with Ant, but in race Ben Edwards is far, far superior. It was nice not to have to sit and listen to Sky Sports F1 making constant mistakes. Bahrain was incredibly annoying how often Crofty muddled up teammates who were nowhere near each other and there 10 minute long criticism of Lewis burning up an extra set of tyres in Q1 was unbearable considering everyone except Red Bull did exactly the same, and they completely missed the fact that Lewis was quickest in both phases of the session, while Button, Vettel and Webber were all well off his pace.

Think I'll be going back to all BBC for Monaco. Going to be a cracker.
 
Nothing has been said of the penalties handed down to Vettel and Massa.

I can't recall a driver being penalised during a race for "failing to slow for yellow flags" prior to this race.

Is this a sign the stewards are going to be a lot stricter or is it just this particular bunch for this particular race?
When I saw the replay it looked like Jenson was doing the same speed and right behind Vettel so I thought it was odd that Button wasn't penalised as well, but then Ted Kravitz reported that the reason was because Vettel had his finger on the KERS button which begs the question why would you have your finger on the KERS button if you are supposed to be slowing down for a yellow?

So I guess this is why Vettel got the penalty...
 
It's F1, incidents will happen. Michael didn't do anything on purpose and penalising him does not stop Bruno from not getting anything from the Spanish GP. Also it's not black and white. I wish the stewards would simply realise that in a sport this intence there will be incidents and stop contriving results unless it's actually needed.
 
Well quite Michael didn't ram Senna up the arse on purpose and I don't think Senna did anything wrong I just think Schumi misjudged the closing speed due to Senna's worn tyres and need to brake earlier much like Webber did when he took up flying in Valencia..
 
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