Grand Prix 2012 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the first time in 3 decades there have been 5 different winners in 5 races and it's not exactly been the status quo winning races as not many people would have had Rosberg and Maldanado winning this early in the season and after Australia not many people would have bet on Alonso winning before the start of the European season. This is also when drivers like Hamilton, Webber, Raikkonnen and Schumacher havent won this season and the way things are going there could be 8 winners after 8 races which could almost be unprecedented.

Indeed, one thing that 2012 has shown is that no one team has been consistently fighting for the win at all five 5 races, while Lotus have possibly had the most consistent pace of the top teams, problems in the first two races meant they were unable to be competing for the win while Kimi might have been unlucky to not come away with at least one win in Bahrain and Barcelona where strategy troubles robbed him the top step but two podiums have shown that he still has the pace despite being away from the sport for 2 years.

The big surprise of the weekend was a first victory for Maldonado and a first victory for Williams since the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix, a win which was merited with no outside help apart from the disqualification of Hamilton from qualifying and the effect of this is unknown as to how the race would have been different but in the race Pastor drove the wheels off the car and did extremely well to keep a rejuvenated Fernando Alonso behind in an updated Ferrari on home soil. Considering Ferrari's early season struggles, for Alonso to be joint leading the Championship with Vettel is no mean feat at all.

The field is very tightly packed as well with the top 7 drivers being separated by 20 points, this time last year it was nearly 100 with Vettel claiming 4 of the first 5 races. This year that is not the case and for once Barcelona served up a classic which in my opinion was the best race of the season, finally there was close racing from 1st down to last with the outcome not being decided until the last few laps.

Going into Monaco there is no point prediction what the running order will be as the likelihood is it'll change again, for all we know the Force India's could suddenly be at the front and Lotus might only be fighting for points, it certainly makes for extremely fascinating viewing as no-one is dominating the Championship, in the city of the high rollers and casinos, it remains who will strike lucky in Monte Carlo and claim the big win, it will certainly not be boring, after all, if even Barcelona can provide an entertaining race, surely most places can (with the exception of Valencia!)
 
Pirelli have joined F1 in the wrong era, methinks. Their remit is to produce a range of tyres for different types of track but with controlled levels of grip and durability. In the "good old days" of Good Year, Firestone, Dunlop, Michelin and Bridgestone the onus was on maximising performance and durability. Tyres performing well on the track were the meat for the advertisers message pies to tempt the masses to taste the products.

I would be interested to know just how well sales of Pirelli road car tyres are faring against the competition. Serious punters using motorsport as a guide would perhaps look more to endurance and touring car series. Of course, a lot of people (maybe most) will probably ask people they know and trust about what boots they've had and how good they were and then it will come down to what they, themselves, can afford to pay for a set.
 
Couldn't agree more Fenderman and the point about the young boy racer wannabe is kinda moot as the top end tyres cost a lot of money and beyond the reach of most young guys who have just passed their test also I don't believe that is the sort of market that Pirelli should be or want to be targeting...
 
gethinceri A captive market for a shed load of a specific range of their products and a guaranteed income from that and for the technical support that goes with it. Perhaps? I'm sure that one of Clip's economic guru's can dig up how much the deal is worth.:)

Edit: By the way Pirelli has a similar arrangement as sole supplier to the World Superbike series.
 
If I need tyres I want Pirelli, Continental or Michelin, in that order. Not because of F1 but because of my own preference. Pirelli give me grip, Conti give me longevity (and I mean 10% with my driving style) and the Michelin Man (Bibendum for you purists) looks like me.
I drive 35,000 miles a year and I don't select my tyres based on F1, regardless of what the manufacturers might think.
Strand? Some of us remember Craven A.

Agreed. F1 tyres and road tyres are completely different like MCLS said. Pirelli has been given a specific remit by FIA not carte blanche to market their product. In my experience F1 has very little bearing on the tyres choice of road customers. I just don't understand what the fuss is all about when for the first time in F1's history we have 6 different six different race winners at the start of the season with tyres playing a significant part. One minute they are lasting too long and the next they are not. You can't please everybody and we know the main issue with Monaco is less to do with tyres but more to do with circuit configuration and the space factor.
 
They're members first, staff second and entitled to their opinion like everyone else.

Your post is nothing but an attack on those who don't like the Monaco GP.


My first posting was injected with meaning that was never intended. My original comment was in no way an attack on any other member or their opinions, I was simply expressing my disbelief that motorsport fans failed to appreciate one of the sports most historic events. There are many differing views expressed on this site which helps lead to healthy discussion, for my part at least my contributions are not intended to antagonize or create arguments. When a misunderstanding occurs it's usually just a misinterpretation of someones contribution, nothing more with no offense intended.
 
Has anyone heard the results of the stewards inquiry into the Grosjean/Schumacher lap 1 incident?
 
Yesterdays 2nd place makes Nico Rosberg the highest scoring driver in the last 4 grand prix, and he clearly had the pace to beat Webber were it not for the nature of the track.

He is 17 points off the lead, could be one to keep an eye on.
 
I highly doubt that. It seems to be quite an elaborate strategy to stop Button scoring a small amount of points, the benefit doesn't outweigh the risk if they're caught. I think it's more likely that it was just Toro Rosso being stupid, they wouldn't be the only ones recently... Although I will admit it is possible.
 
I think that Toro Rosso (Italian for Red Bull) where just anticipating rain earlier, which is another reason why they may have brought Vergne in for inters
 
I think that Toro Rosso (Italian for Red Bull) where just anticipating rain earlier, which is another reason why they may have brought Vergne in for inters

It's been confirmed that Vergne's tyres were shot and they ahd to bring him in anyway, hence they thought why not gamble on Inters.
 
Yes Wombcat but people were just speculating on IF he started from the front so it is safe to assume that same speculation would stretch to AND he hadn't had the problem.

You see that's how IF's and BUT's work....

And under those circumstances there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would have won and not just won but would have won by a far healthier margin than Webber did...

Actually if that had happened I just may have given the race +1 instead of the zero it deserved...
 
My, what a boring race. Each year I hope something exciting might just happen this time, only for it not to. Again.

Loved the onboard footage - I can see why the drivers love the place - but a shame the director appeared to prefer endless slo-mo repeats... And I was amazed the commentators managed to keep talking so much!
 
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