Grand Prix 2012 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After a long summer break, F1 has it's second race in a week as the circus rolls onto Monza for the last European race of the season and the season is finely poised as Championship protagonists Alonso and Hamilton failed to score after a lap one crash in Belgium. McLaren team-mate Button took his second win of the season to keep alive his Championship hopes and is 'only' just over 60 points behind Alonso and 16 points behind Hamilton.

Just as Spa is famous as a historical track, Monza is similar. Monza is the definition of speed and is one of the most famous tracks in history. But it's a track that has seen as much tragedy as success with several drivers losing their lives at the circuit, notably Ronnie Petersen and Jochen Rindt. This led to modifications in the circuit with the banking sections no longer used and chicanes added in to slow the cars down with the last change being in 2000 with a change to the first corner. However, drivers are still at full throttle for the majority of the lap and it presents a major challenge to the driver, even if overtaking isn't the easiest.

Going into the Italian Grand Prix, McLaren seem to be in the best form after taking 2 victories in the last two races but were very Jekyll and Hyde as in Hungary, Hamilton won as Button struggled, and in Belgium Button won while Hamilton crashed, but we will never know how Hamilton would have got on in the race but he was certainly not the happiest after believing a wrong rear choice hampered him in qualifying as he was eight tenths behind his team mate who took his first pole position since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2009.

Alonso's DNF played into the hands of Red Bull and especially Vettel who nearly halved the deficit to Alonso despite not making Q3 he took advantage of the carnage at the start, allied with some strong overtaking, notably at the last chicane to finish second and reduce the gap to less than a race victory. Webber also benefited despite not finishing on the podium as he reduced the gap to 32 points and only 8 points behind his team-mate. A race win in Ferrari's home territory for either Webber or Vettel would really strike home at Maranello and reduce the gap to almost nothing and would be a major psychological boost, just as it would if a McLaren driver takes the flag on Sunday.

The big disappointment of Belgium was Lotus, many expected them to be fighting for the win and had said that they had the best package going into the weekend, but their only produce was a third for Raikkonen, some way off the leaders after spending much of the first half of the race fighting with Schumacher. Team mate Grosjean caused a huge crash at turn one and as a result is banned from this weekends race as punishment. Lotus will be extremely disappointed not to have turned a very strong car and good performances into a win with 2nd place being the highest they've finished so far this season and a few times both drivers have been on the podium but the top step has been elusive. They won't be too confident of changing that in Monza as the track doesn't suit their strengths and they could well be behind McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of raw pace. However, just like in 2003, Raikkonen's consistency and abilty to bring the car home in the points means he's 4th in the Championship and is a major part of the championship despite having yet to win a race.

Mercedes certainly have the quickest car in a straight line and that will make them very competitive, as shown in 2011, but they suffer from very poor rear tyre wear which affects their traction and with slow chicanes that will cost them on Sunday but they could act as the joker in the pack with a strong qualifying performance and it was this that compromised Hamilton's race in 2011 as he was stuck behind Schumacher for the early part.

For Galahad's write up on the circuit - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/autodromo-nazionale-monza/
 
I'm not sure there's a lot the race organiser can do about thousands of ignorant racists.

It's not as if they're easy to spot when purchasing tickets or going through the turnstiles...

There's some truth to that, but the organisers and the FIA are really the only ones who can do anything about it. If you punish the organisers you force them to make the issue a priority. Things like signposting and strict stewarding would help, and then if the organisers can't control it then the FIA would have to step in and either ban fans from the race or remove the race from the calendar for a year to make the point.
 
I agree, something should be done otherwise nothing will change.

Some sort of sanctions are in order if it is true as to what has been claimed.
 
When Jenson retired from the race I noticed that he actively waved at the fans I have no idea if they were booing him or not maybe they were cheering because he was out of the race and he was being ironic, by waving at them.

For anyone to actually hear what the fans are chanting from the podium would be impossible I would have thought unless a very large group of them were all chanting the same thing in unison and I certainly didn't hear anything like that on my telly.

I wouldn't jump to conclusion on this subject, calling people racist who aren't is as bad as being a racist IMO.

If anything untoward did happen I'm sure we will hear about it in due course and we can discuss it then...
 
That thread on autosport is now closed as they suspect the poster was not being entirely honest. I'd rather wait for further confirmation of this type of abuse happening before getting worked up about it.

Where's MCLS when you need him?
 
I don't think you could expect anything less or more from the tifosi as they are rather partisan but that doesn't make them racists they don't even care who is driving the car as long as the driver is winning and if Lewis was in a Ferrari and won at Monza they would be cheering their heads off...
 
It used to be worse in the eighties. They were actually throwing stones on to the track in the path of Renault and McLaren cars in 1983 and 85 when competing against them for the title.
 
Why would anyone want to stir up shit like that especially when Lewis won. I means it's not like the guy is saying anything new. It is consistent with reports from other sporting events on the continent ( Italy, Spain and especially the Eastern block) and stadiums have been temporarily closed to fans because of it. It's more to do with ignorance than anything but you you can close your ears and pretend it doesn't happen.
 
If the claims by DamienUK are, in fact, a fabrication, as seems ever more likely given that I can find no corroboration anywhere else, then, in my opinion, this individual should:

1. IMMEDIATELY issue an apology to all F1 fans everywhere

2. Seek psychiatric care at once, as it appears he/she has a definite problem

3. Get a life.

Tarring people with lies simply because they aren't in support of your apparent favourite is, IMHO, sick.
 
Kewee, just goes to show that statistics can say anything you want.

I'd say, given that I consider Hamilton to be Alonso's main rival for this year's title, Fernando is relatively worse off since two races ago, when he was 47 points ahead of Lewis. Now the gap is down to 37 and Mclaren have the momentum of three wins in a row.:D
I wasn't really trying to make the statistics say anything other than pointing out the equation has opened up a little in Alonso's favor. Baring DNF's for both drivers, Hamilton now has to finish in front of Alonso in all the remaining seven races as do Vettel and Raikkonen. They're all likely to take points off one another at some stage in these closing GP's which would also strengthen Alonso's position. They all need Alonso to have another DNF or to finish outside the points. We shouldn't forget also, that the Ferrari was as quick as the McLaren all weekend so they're not carrying the disadvantage they were for the first half of the season.
 
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