Grand Prix 2012 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After a long summer break, F1 has it's second race in a week as the circus rolls onto Monza for the last European race of the season and the season is finely poised as Championship protagonists Alonso and Hamilton failed to score after a lap one crash in Belgium. McLaren team-mate Button took his second win of the season to keep alive his Championship hopes and is 'only' just over 60 points behind Alonso and 16 points behind Hamilton.

Just as Spa is famous as a historical track, Monza is similar. Monza is the definition of speed and is one of the most famous tracks in history. But it's a track that has seen as much tragedy as success with several drivers losing their lives at the circuit, notably Ronnie Petersen and Jochen Rindt. This led to modifications in the circuit with the banking sections no longer used and chicanes added in to slow the cars down with the last change being in 2000 with a change to the first corner. However, drivers are still at full throttle for the majority of the lap and it presents a major challenge to the driver, even if overtaking isn't the easiest.

Going into the Italian Grand Prix, McLaren seem to be in the best form after taking 2 victories in the last two races but were very Jekyll and Hyde as in Hungary, Hamilton won as Button struggled, and in Belgium Button won while Hamilton crashed, but we will never know how Hamilton would have got on in the race but he was certainly not the happiest after believing a wrong rear choice hampered him in qualifying as he was eight tenths behind his team mate who took his first pole position since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2009.

Alonso's DNF played into the hands of Red Bull and especially Vettel who nearly halved the deficit to Alonso despite not making Q3 he took advantage of the carnage at the start, allied with some strong overtaking, notably at the last chicane to finish second and reduce the gap to less than a race victory. Webber also benefited despite not finishing on the podium as he reduced the gap to 32 points and only 8 points behind his team-mate. A race win in Ferrari's home territory for either Webber or Vettel would really strike home at Maranello and reduce the gap to almost nothing and would be a major psychological boost, just as it would if a McLaren driver takes the flag on Sunday.

The big disappointment of Belgium was Lotus, many expected them to be fighting for the win and had said that they had the best package going into the weekend, but their only produce was a third for Raikkonen, some way off the leaders after spending much of the first half of the race fighting with Schumacher. Team mate Grosjean caused a huge crash at turn one and as a result is banned from this weekends race as punishment. Lotus will be extremely disappointed not to have turned a very strong car and good performances into a win with 2nd place being the highest they've finished so far this season and a few times both drivers have been on the podium but the top step has been elusive. They won't be too confident of changing that in Monza as the track doesn't suit their strengths and they could well be behind McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of raw pace. However, just like in 2003, Raikkonen's consistency and abilty to bring the car home in the points means he's 4th in the Championship and is a major part of the championship despite having yet to win a race.

Mercedes certainly have the quickest car in a straight line and that will make them very competitive, as shown in 2011, but they suffer from very poor rear tyre wear which affects their traction and with slow chicanes that will cost them on Sunday but they could act as the joker in the pack with a strong qualifying performance and it was this that compromised Hamilton's race in 2011 as he was stuck behind Schumacher for the early part.

For Galahad's write up on the circuit - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/autodromo-nazionale-monza/
 
I'm not sure where all these racist stories are coming from. In the post race press conference Lewis appeared to have nothing but praise for Monza and the Italian fans and the Italian people as a whole. He even draped the Italian flag over his helmet as a mark on respect.
 
Brogan......Thats what I mean Paul. Where does that come from. My posting was straight from the horses mouth. Quote."It's an incredible experience for me to come to Italy, a place I love a lot. I've been coming here many many years since I was 13 and met lots of great people here. I really do genuinely love the people here, and the culture the food and the country itself. I put the Italian flag on my helmet as a sign of respect", as I say straight from the horses mouth so why the hell would I take a blind bit of notice of what others are saying when Lewis Hamilton makes a statement like that.
 
Brogan......Yes I read that Paul but it was a tweet from Will Buxton. What I've posted was stated live during the post race press conference directly from Lewis Hamilton. Its there on the Autosport website for all to read. No middle man, however reputable, quoting Hamilton. This is exactly the same type of thing that happens to Alonso. He says something, I know because I see his mouth moving and hear the words coming out and within hours he's being quoted as saying something completely different.
 
I'm not viewing this as an argument, just quoting an interview with Lewis Hamilton. Talking horse, Mr Ed and all that. well the horse spoke last night so it's hard for me to believe anything different.
 
Hamberg

Absolutely...
JB got booed (Or at least cheered because he retired...)
Alonso got booed back in 2005 (or was it 2006) - and look at him now...

I remember the outpouring of hatred against Ayrton Senna back in 1989 when he spun on his engine oil, which lead to Alain Prost winning the race (He had just announced that he was signing for Ferrari for 1990)...

There are very few drivers who would be cheered following victory at Monza when they weren't driving a Ferrari... In recent memory, only really Nigel Mansell stands out!
 
I know that, but I thought it had been established that it's unlikely given there has not been a single other report of this, hence why going down the racist route is based on not an awful lot and shouldn't be entertained.
 
Hamilton being booed would have been more to do with:

1) Him winning in a Mclaren ahead of Ferrari.

2) A symptom of 2007 when their now beloved Fernando was 'robbed' of a title (I don't want this thread derailed so let's not start that argument).

3) Him being simply disliked - you see on British forums how divided opinion is on him.

To say that Hamilton being booed because of his skin colour is in my opinion wrong and tarring many with a brush that is not deserved. Sure there were maybe a tiny minority that booed him because they are racist and therefore do not like him. I bet that not everyone in the tifosi would have booed either. However, the 3 reasons above would be far more likely for the reaction from the Italian crowd. Do you really think he would have been booed if he was driving a Ferrari?

It's only because of this stupid podium interview crap that this has been able to become a mountain out of a molehill. To be perfectly honest, it's been entirely blown out of proportion.
 
I think some are getting confused.

The racist chanting claim was posted by a member of another forum who apparently attended the race and was supposedly in addition to the booing.

The other forum in question has disputed the claim so it can be dismissed now unless and until any corroborating information comes to light.
 
Thank Heavens for that - I thought I might have to add my tuppence-worth, but having trawled the net couldn't find any mention of racist chants. Reuters had no mention and, even, the Daily Mail (renowned for whipping up an inaccurate frenzy) didn't see fit to report anything other than booing.
 
A McLaren driver beating a Ferrari driver at Monza when fighting for the title is seen by the tifosi in a worse light than if they'd thrown a tomato at the pope.
 
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