Grand Prix 2012 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After a long summer break, F1 has it's second race in a week as the circus rolls onto Monza for the last European race of the season and the season is finely poised as Championship protagonists Alonso and Hamilton failed to score after a lap one crash in Belgium. McLaren team-mate Button took his second win of the season to keep alive his Championship hopes and is 'only' just over 60 points behind Alonso and 16 points behind Hamilton.

Just as Spa is famous as a historical track, Monza is similar. Monza is the definition of speed and is one of the most famous tracks in history. But it's a track that has seen as much tragedy as success with several drivers losing their lives at the circuit, notably Ronnie Petersen and Jochen Rindt. This led to modifications in the circuit with the banking sections no longer used and chicanes added in to slow the cars down with the last change being in 2000 with a change to the first corner. However, drivers are still at full throttle for the majority of the lap and it presents a major challenge to the driver, even if overtaking isn't the easiest.

Going into the Italian Grand Prix, McLaren seem to be in the best form after taking 2 victories in the last two races but were very Jekyll and Hyde as in Hungary, Hamilton won as Button struggled, and in Belgium Button won while Hamilton crashed, but we will never know how Hamilton would have got on in the race but he was certainly not the happiest after believing a wrong rear choice hampered him in qualifying as he was eight tenths behind his team mate who took his first pole position since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2009.

Alonso's DNF played into the hands of Red Bull and especially Vettel who nearly halved the deficit to Alonso despite not making Q3 he took advantage of the carnage at the start, allied with some strong overtaking, notably at the last chicane to finish second and reduce the gap to less than a race victory. Webber also benefited despite not finishing on the podium as he reduced the gap to 32 points and only 8 points behind his team-mate. A race win in Ferrari's home territory for either Webber or Vettel would really strike home at Maranello and reduce the gap to almost nothing and would be a major psychological boost, just as it would if a McLaren driver takes the flag on Sunday.

The big disappointment of Belgium was Lotus, many expected them to be fighting for the win and had said that they had the best package going into the weekend, but their only produce was a third for Raikkonen, some way off the leaders after spending much of the first half of the race fighting with Schumacher. Team mate Grosjean caused a huge crash at turn one and as a result is banned from this weekends race as punishment. Lotus will be extremely disappointed not to have turned a very strong car and good performances into a win with 2nd place being the highest they've finished so far this season and a few times both drivers have been on the podium but the top step has been elusive. They won't be too confident of changing that in Monza as the track doesn't suit their strengths and they could well be behind McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of raw pace. However, just like in 2003, Raikkonen's consistency and abilty to bring the car home in the points means he's 4th in the Championship and is a major part of the championship despite having yet to win a race.

Mercedes certainly have the quickest car in a straight line and that will make them very competitive, as shown in 2011, but they suffer from very poor rear tyre wear which affects their traction and with slow chicanes that will cost them on Sunday but they could act as the joker in the pack with a strong qualifying performance and it was this that compromised Hamilton's race in 2011 as he was stuck behind Schumacher for the early part.

For Galahad's write up on the circuit - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/autodromo-nazionale-monza/
 
Absorbing race.Congratulations to Hamilton.In control for entire race.Tough luck for Red Bull.Can't understand their repeated alternator problems.
Some great midfield battles.Finally superb drive from Perez.He must be top of the pile for other teams wish list.
 
Alonso is in a stronger position now than he was two GP's ago. A fourty point lead with 9 races to go needed someone to average 4.44 points more than him for every remaining race to catch him. Thats just gone up to 5.28 points with seven races remaining. It's just got that little bit tougher for someone to catch up. He'll be very happy after a difficult weekend finding himself in a stronger position now than before the Spa accident. Sorry for Jenson, he deserved a good result. Stunning drive from Perez. :)
 
Just seem some good analysis on Alonso/Vettel including comparison from last year, had it been a complete replica Vettel wouldn't have been penalised as Alonso left significant space whereas this one showed Vettel squeezing him too much especially under today's rules.
Hamberg, your softening to my mate in your young age. LOL
 
mr cheaty.webp Strikes again... :snigger:
 
Kewee - With the one caveat that McLaren look pretty ominous.
The only flaw in that statement is Alonso was quicker than Hamilton right through qualifying until his Q3 problem and the next two GP's are favorites for Alonso. I honestly believe, barring bad luck, Alonso will wrap the title up with a GP to spare. :)
 
Great to see ...3 of the drivers that were swiped out...at the first corner of the last race....on the podium
And IMO the top three drivers.......... at the top of the WDC
Some get help......
Don't like it ......
but that's F1
 
It was a fantastic drive by Perez. However, no one seems to be mentioning the tyre advantage he had. I imagine both sets of tyres he used were new, starting from 12th, and I think this goes some way to explaining the difference between him and Kobayashi (and others).

I think the top 10 tyre rule should probably be removed now F1 has changed so much.
 
Kewee, just goes to show that statistics can say anything you want.

I'd say, given that I consider Hamilton to be Alonso's main rival for this year's title, Fernando is relatively worse off since two races ago, when he was 47 points ahead of Lewis. Now the gap is down to 37 and Mclaren have the momentum of three wins in a row.:D
 
Did anyone see the team photo?

On bbc it says: "Uncomfortable scenes at the McLaren team photo with the crew dressed in their rocket red shirts. McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh hugs Lewis Hamilton, but the embrace is strained. Hamilton, the 2008 world champion, then barely manages a smile let alone a clenched fist when they're asked to cheer by the snapper. Contrastingly, Jenson Button plays the ultimate team player, cheering and smiling with his team - and he didn't even score a point here."

Bit strange?
 
Did anyone see the team photo?

On bbc it says: "Uncomfortable scenes at the McLaren team photo with the crew dressed in their rocket red shirts. McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh hugs Lewis Hamilton, but the embrace is strained. Hamilton, the 2008 world champion, then barely manages a smile let alone a clenched fist when they're asked to cheer by the snapper. Contrastingly, Jenson Button plays the ultimate team player, cheering and smiling with his team - and he didn't even score a point here."

Bit strange?

its just bbc trying thier usual lewis bashing,despite his win,they find a way to knock him and praise jenson.

anyway,well done lewis,alonso and perez.unlucky button.
 
tranquility2k9, I thought Hamilton's demeanour after the race was a little strange too; a rather muted initial reaction to an impressive and important win. So I wouldn't be altogether surprised if the team celebrations were also somewhat muted. Clearly something going on there.
 
IMO...LH has finally taken off the rose tinted glasses ...............& realises what has been going on.....he's taken in the excuses & reasons...Turkey 2010 etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
LH is too honest, kind & niave,,, I was once young & gullible too.....
Now he seems to have taken a page out of FA book....steely eyed & don't mess with me...or else..
 
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