The 2011 Season

[dave]

One thing I still can't decide this season is with Vettel seemingly ahead of everyone else by a distance, even his teammate.

How much of this is down to Webber being poor and Vettel being so good. I've never considered Webber to be of top team driver abiltiy but at the same time I wouldn't like to say he's a poor driver, he's just . . .in the middle somewhere.

Is the difference between the two RB's Vettel being really good or Webber being bad?
Or have I ended up exagerating the difference in my head and they're both good driver and the car is just better suited to Vettel?

A big problem I have with comparing drivers is that I can never decide where a drivers ability takes over from car performance, so you never know how much of a lap time is because of the car or because of the driver.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Porceliamone]

Dave, I don't beleive that Vettel is THAT far ahead of Webber. As much as I have loathed MW in the past, he is well worth his seat in the RB team, absolutely. However, and I think we'll all agree, RB are more focussed on SV. The whole front wing debacle at Silverstone last year proved that and I have a sneaking suspicion the RB car is more in tune with him than it is with Mark. However, I think it's obvious that MW is harder on his tyres with the current car than SV is. Webber doesn't need to prove himself anymore, he's been around long enough; but perhaps father time has indeed taken its toll. SV is in his absolute prime, yet to peak even. Christ, how good would it be if we had Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg, Button and Vettel all in cars with the same parity as that between Ferrari and McLaren in the 2008 season for example? Now THAT would be a treat.

 

[Brogan]

I've come to the conclusion that Formula One in 2011 is like a girl with a boob job.

You know they're fake but you can't help watching and still find them entertaining; and even though there's more of them, they're not quite as good as the real thing.

 

[Chad Stewarthill]

I've come to the conclusion that Formula One in 2011 is like a girl with a boob job.

You know they're fake but you can't help watching and still find them entertaining; and even though there's more of them, they're not quite as good as the real thing.

In that case, shouldn't you replace your headstone avatar with a bouncy castle or something?

 

[Jen]

I've come to the conclusion that Formula One in 2011 is like a girl with a boob job.

You know they're fake but you can't help watching and still find them entertaining; and even though there's more of them, they're not quite as good as the real thing.

Well, that's an improvement Bro

To take the analogy a little further - a chap on viagra

 

[Brogan]

Having said that, for the next race I'm just going to stand next to the M25 for 90 minutes; just as many overtakes with about the same level of skill required.

 

[Jen]

Having said that, for the next race I'm just going to stand next to the M25 for 90 minutes; just as many overtakes with about the same level of skill required.

Curmudgeon, springs to mind

 

[dave]

I definately agree with you on that one Porceliamone, it would be great if it could happen, although i doubt it will for some reason.

Maybe it's Brogans miserableness affecting me. Seriously Bro, get your own site and moan on there

 

[Chad Stewarthill]

Just for Brogan, here are some more overtakes from Istanbul:

(Oh, and note the 'finger' right at the end)

 

[Fenderman]

Magnificent!

 

[Brogan]

After the first 4 races of the season, this is how 2011 compares to 2010 for the top 6 drivers and teams.

The main difference seems to be Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull who have both more than doubled their points.

 

[RickD]

From BBC:

The Spanish Grand Prix at Circuit de Catalunya will have one of the longest Drag Reduction System zones seen so far, to increase opportunities for overtaking.

So, did they learn their lesson from the cold Turkey? I think not somehow..

On a brighter note, there is talk of a possible GP in Greece. This made me laugh, especially after this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13356923

 

[Grizzly]

Both parts. The zone was (obviously to most, but not the rule makers it would seem) too long, and Greece? Beyond the complete unrest, they have no money!?

 

[RickD]

Perhaps Bernie wants the F1 drivers and teams to play dodge the protestor.

 

[Brogan]

I'd post a link, but I wouldn't want to be brought to book for advertising.

Feel free chap, no issues at all with posting links of any sort

 

[Chad Stewarthill]

Feel free chap, no issues at all with posting links of any sort

Okey doke, here goes then:

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/CatalogAnd...oductId=9781840467963&shop=10004&type=Froogle

 

[Brogan]

The in-season testing posts now have their own thread: http://cliptheapex.com/threads/in-season-testing-to-return.2648/

 

[MCLS]

Does anyone else think that the DRS zone in Spain should be after Campsa instead of the main straight?

 

[Brogan]

After the Spanish GP, some clear trends are starting to emerge.

Massa has now been overtaken by Rosberg and Hedifeld...

http://cliptheapex.com/pages/2011-standings/

 

[Fenderman]

Saddest thing on the charts is Williams. Five races in and still zero points. Is this their worst season thus far?