Current Mercedes

Discussion in 'Teams' started by FB, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    The problem is that you can never be sure that what ever the manufacturers claim is the actual total. Auto companies have myriad ways to hide costs, so the totals quoted may well be far below the actual number.
     
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  3. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Which is precisely why a spending cap will not work.
     
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  4. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    The spend is based on the value to them of being champions, the focus is always wrongly placed on the cost side.

    If you want to reduce spend, massively reduce the sport's commercial appeal to fans and sponsors...
     
  5. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Something they've been working on achieving for a few years now.
     
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  6. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    Well, quite. I'll be surprised if Merc are still in F1 in five years' time.
     
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  7. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    I'll be surprised if F1 still exists in five years.
     
  8. The Artist.....

    The Artist..... Champion Elect

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    This is why sometimes markets need external (government) intervention. Left to their own devices, F1 teams will escalate spending until such a point as marginal benefit is equal to marginal cost.

    For teams like Williams, McLaren, Force India, et al, the benefit of success comes through prize money and sponsorship (which is correlated with success). However, for the manufacturers, the external benefits are perceived to be huge; Mercedes gain huge marketing gain from success in F1. Ferrari also.

    Renault are slightly more odd, as they don't thrown money at the project (largely because their marginal benefit is lower than Mercedes or Ferrari...
     
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  9. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    The problem is that, with the constantly escalating costs, the non-manufacturer teams cannot hope to compete. Therefore, tv exposure is lessened, results are ever-harder to come by, and so both prize money and sponsorship are harder to come by. Look at what McLaren and Williams are going through now. Add to that the fact that television coverage is becoming ever more pay-per-view so viewership drops, so potential sponsors see less of a "bang for the buck" for their advertising dollars. It is a vicious circle and cannot bode well for the long-term survival of the lesser teams or the sport, IMO.
     
  10. The Artist.....

    The Artist..... Champion Elect

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    There needs to be a budget cap of £50 million, policed by forensic accountants.

    Engines can be omitted from this, but the cost to customer teams should be regulated at £10million per season ( outside of the budget cap). Driver salaries also sit outside the budget cap.

    The FIA should consider looking at the number of employees each team has; probably they should cap these at about 300 as well. (I.e., the size of the privateer teams).
     
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  11. vanphuccity

    vanphuccity Browser

    When Ray's around you need to pick your words specifically, it's a hard job, yet to see anyone achieve it!
     
  12. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    It appears Wolff and Merc are in full on BS mode in the media again in order to keep viewing figures up and make sure people watch their two hour car advert.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/wolff-2019-rules-could-shake-up-the-grid/

    They only wheel out the 'anything could happen/we're not the most dominant team/blah blah looks like they are going to jump in front of us' rhetoric when they are clean out of front and there is no competition going on.
     
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  13. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Which has been the case since the start of the current formula.
     
  14. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    Just seen this in the celebrations back at the factory. & who on earth is celebrating such a fantastic achievement with a piece of fruit. If anyone did they need help. Because surely a worker not thinking ive just contributed to history only 2nd time in F1 history that 1 team has won drivers title 5 years in a row matching schumacher & ferrari. Ill go mad, let myself go & have a banana

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  15. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan. Contributor

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    Wouldn’t have happened at Mclaren in Ron’s day. No apostrophe.
     
  16. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    This is a tough joke from the cameraman on bottas. "so guys where do you think bottas will finish in drivers title race, in a double championship winning car"

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  17. The Artist.....

    The Artist..... Champion Elect

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    There are several thoughts I had when I first saw that picture:
    1. Where did they steal their big three pointed stars - was a big merc lorry parked outside
    2. God those front wings are ugly
    3. You’d have thought they’d have put new tyres on the cars for a publicity photo! Pirelli must be fuming!
     
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  18. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    You know this could have been the Honda team
     
  19. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    They still have the same company registration number as Tyrrell so it goes back even further than that.
     
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  20. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    RasputinLives At least Tyrell reached the summit as a team whereas Honda flushed money down the toilet with an Earth car that horribly slow
     
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  21. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    As you know love the on the grid podcast. Listened to nico rosberg one today. They were talking about relationships & how ocon, gasly were close friends. But barely talk. How you cant be friends with anyone in F1 as stakes are so high. Of course the topic is on to lewis & nico. Something that surprised me, i always thought that bahrain 2014 (pics below) were was fantastic example of sportsmanship. Throwing the kitchen sink at each other but such respect at the end :cheers:

    But no according to nico, there was no respect if anything it was the start of the feud bahrain 2014, he never really explained rather incoherinally mumbled something & quickly moved on :clip:

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