Head To Head Jenson Button vs Lewis Hamilton
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Roll on the Christmas ceasefire. Oh, wait ... that went out of vogue in the early 20th century, didn't it?
I don't think its entrenchment so much as lack of understandng the logic of the others' point of view, perhaps? For me, I see Hamilton as the better option although I [now] think Button is an excellent driver too, just ... less excellent. That said, although I've watched F1 for 40-odd years now, I'm an enthusiast not a professional, however it would seem that those who are the professionals are prepared to pay Hamilton far more than they are prepared to pay Button and there would presumably have to be some logic behind that.
If I may put in my personal take on the situation.
In sport, as in many things, it is not necessarily how good you are, but how good you are at your worst. for example, Tennis players like Nadal, Federer and Sampras were able to grind out results even when not fully firing, whereas players like Henman would not all the time, despite being able to spring amazing results, and play exceptionally well in some matches.
I see a similar situation here. When both are at their best (something I am not sure we have really seen, certainly not for an extended run of races) they are close, and are both proven race winners.
However, when not at their best, it is a different story, looking at Canada this year as a prime example.
It is simply the likely range of performances that can be had that makes the difference.
Lewis would always be expected to be fighting out at the sharp end, regardless of how good the car is. Jenson, can, however, less often, due in part to the likelihood of getting the car underneath him.
So, Jenson relies on his ability, and that of the team to get the car sorted, then he can do the rest. Lewis can do the business regardless, with reliance on the team for a car with underlying pace and reliability, but inherently, rather than being significantly faster when both at their best, he is less likely to be significantly slower than his best in other circumstances.
I think that made sense (to me at least)
In sport, as in many things, it is not necessarily how good you are, but how good you are at your worst. for example, Tennis players like Nadal, Federer and Sampras were able to grind out results even when not fully firing, whereas players like Henman would not all the time, despite being able to spring amazing results, and play exceptionally well in some matches.
I see a similar situation here. When both are at their best (something I am not sure we have really seen, certainly not for an extended run of races) they are close, and are both proven race winners.
However, when not at their best, it is a different story, looking at Canada this year as a prime example.
It is simply the likely range of performances that can be had that makes the difference.
Lewis would always be expected to be fighting out at the sharp end, regardless of how good the car is. Jenson, can, however, less often, due in part to the likelihood of getting the car underneath him.
So, Jenson relies on his ability, and that of the team to get the car sorted, then he can do the rest. Lewis can do the business regardless, with reliance on the team for a car with underlying pace and reliability, but inherently, rather than being significantly faster when both at their best, he is less likely to be significantly slower than his best in other circumstances.
I think that made sense (to me at least)
The Artist.....
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Personally, I don't believe that Button is particularly better than Hamilton - but I also don't believe that Hamilton is particularly better than Button - they are different... However, the reason I take objection on this thread is the suggestion that Hamilton is infinitely better than Button, and it's only luck or (whisper it, conspiracies) that have led to Button being ahead, overall, on points... I've even heard say that we should ignore 2011, because Hamilton wasn't at his best, but then in that case, we should probably also ignore 2010 and 2012, as in 2010, Button was new to the team, and in 2012, he had a piss-poor year!
I am not sure if that is specifically what I am saying Fenderman, as I think that is an oversimplification. I think it is more like Lewis is less reliant on specific criteria within the set up, and so has less need to hone the set up to a specific point, and the car just needs to be in the ball park, and he is quick, the car needs to be very poor for his performance to drop significantly. Jenson is more linear in terms of drop off.
racecub
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@The Artist I can't think of one person who has suggested conspiracies as a reason for Jenson out scoring Hamilton last year. I've seen lots of other possibilities and suggestions put forward, but the only time I hear the word conspiracies, it's when it being put into other people's mouths.
landogeorgelewis1
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The Artist.....
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Odd that.... I never hear people who claim that the moon landings were faked mention the word conspiracy either... Nor those who claim that Kennedy was killed by a second gunman... Simply because of the negative connotations with relation to the original poster.
I have read accusations of favouritism within McLaren, leading to 1 driver being compromised, I have read about how Martin Whitmarsh has an unhealthy admiration towards JB, leading to McLaren putting their focus onto Button... Any of these theories, presented without real evidence (OR alternatively a pile of perceived "Evidence") is, by definition, a conspiracy theory, whether you like it or not!
For example, at the start of the season, there were endless posts claiming that JB was always getting better pit service, and that he was pitted at a better time! - This claim became so amazing, that whenever JB was pulled in first, it was better to pit first, and whenever JB was pulled in second, it was better to pit second......
To be fair The Artist....., those claims come from a few members only, one of whom no longer posts here.
On the whole I would say the majority of members are a tad more reasoned in their assessment of the two drivers in question.
On the whole I would say the majority of members are a tad more reasoned in their assessment of the two drivers in question.
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