Pre-Season 2018 Season Preview

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by FB, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. F1Brits_90

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    As much as want to give Mclaren every opportunity & defend them hoping teething problems. They are under tremendous pressure more than honda ever were. If mclaren still havent improved Alonso won't be at mclaren or F1 by Abu Dhabi no doubt. Maybe bouiller might go as well

    Espically with lando norris top of f2 testing
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    cider_and_toast At Le Mans
     
  4. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Mclaren - I don't know if that is their true speed but they appear to be at least 1-1.5 second a lap off the pace from the big three which would be put them in the fight with Renault and Force India you'd think

    Whilst the reliability issues are not ideal at least it aint the engine for a start
     
  5. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    According to Renault both their customer teams have had battery failures although the works cars did not. They accept that there are some batteries which are faulty, they are weeding them out and by Melbourne all the batteries will be good ones.

    What they did not say was how many failures there were in total or how many failures for each team but it seems likely that the events where the car just stops are the most likely candidates.

    I presume that there can't have been many of these failures for RBR or they would be moaning like nobodies business.
     
  6. F1Brits_90

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    Interesting from ted on his testing notebook. That that are rumours around the paddock. Honda fantastic reliability might be because they are secretly starting the day with a new power unit every day. As i say unconfirmed reports & could surprise us

    But like in anything the answers to all our questions will be in the stopwatch at Melbourne
     
  7. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Honda would have nothing to gain by doing that.

    What's the bets that those rumours may have been started by a team with a new found love of orange.
     
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  8. F1Brits_90

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    that's what I thought & the fact that as we know nothing stays secret in the paddock for too long but from what I understand what he was saying was that it was him & few other journalists. but from what I can see that Honda wasnt helping straight line speed still bottom of the charts but McLaren were so busy blaming Honda they never realised that they had this overheating problem last year which compounded the problem
     
  9. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    In the late 60s and early 70s, numerous F1 pilots (e.g. McLaren, Hulme, Surtees, Amon, Gurney, Revson and others) also drove in the entire Can Am season. Hulme, McLaren and Revson all won titles in the series (which had cars which were much faster than F1).
     
  10. Olivier

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    Armchair comments: Mercedes is still in the lead with RedBull and Ferrari following very closely. The formed favoured by better aerodynamics (Newey is very involved it seems) and the latter by Power Unit. Vettel got the best time around the Circuit de Catalunya, Force India the quickest through the speed trap and Mercedes the fastest over the long run. McLaren is probably better off with Renault, even if it's not clear at this time, but it's definitively not a championship contender, even if their aero package seems to be strong this year. Nor it is Renault but they will be best of the rest over Force India, particularly given the works manufacturer category that the French team has. Toro Rosso are probably going to be Ok now that they've switched to Honda power. They need to continue to adjust the car but should be at least as fast and reliable as last year's. Sauber has been very consistent as it was the case last year and they are putting in a lot of laps. It is not clear that the speed is there but at least it is expected that the cars will last the whole race. Williams are flying under the radar and it's not expected that they are breaking through and they should be content with keeping up with the back markers. In my mind they have the weakest team and setting up the car is going to be a challenge, particularly at the beginning of the year. Not much to be said about Haas, other than Magnussen's time today was eye popping which could have been out of the hat but it might as well be a "miracle lap" with no fuel for the sponsors only. In my mind RedBull has the best driver pair, followed by Renault. Last thought: Halo probably won't see the end of the year, at least I hope it doesn't. Very little benefit from the appendage that make the cars look really ugly with the additional downside that it's very difficult to tell a driver from the other within a team, unless they have very different helmets. All in all, it doesn't look like a very exciting season but better this than nothing. Yawn :yawn:
     
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  11. olegg

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  12. F1Brits_90

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    I hope halo will be gone because it looks horrible but not as horrible as the detachable 2017 version. & really only saves them if missle in straight forward. If at an angle then its go into unprotected area. & causes a blindspot. Aeroscreen has its faults but no blindspots & covers all around.

    If i had to rank them for Austraila from what ive seen at testing & how they finished in abu dhabi

    Ferrari
    Mercedes Red Bull
    Renault
    McLaren
    Force India
    Williams
    Sauber
    Toro Rosso
    Haas
     
  13. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    It's cruel to mock the afflicted but here's the boys from Woking practicing their pit stops.



    Is it all a cunning plan to lull the other teams in to a false sense of security and then, BLAM!, Brawn like they will win the first 5 races at a canter?
     
  14. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    No
     
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    Alonso out in McLaren this morning. Seven laps and then another trip on the low loader.

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  16. olegg

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  17. olegg

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  18. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    It seems strange that no-one has mentioned the final times. Personally I would love that for the grid positions in Melbourne.
     
  19. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    I think the front 3 seems to be Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari followed by Renault, Mclaren and Haas

    Further way seem to be Force India and Williams

    Toro Rosso people are talking about their reliable running with Honda but what are people seriously expecting when Honda could not last more than 10 laps bolted onto a Mclaren
     
  20. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    821 laps with only one issue which wasn't even an engine issue (brakes). I'm pretty sure Honda have sorted the reliability issues. The speed issues however probably aren't sorted.

    Mclaren on the other hand may be quick but haven't managed a race distance in one sitting.

    I know which one I'd choose.
     
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  21. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    Honda or Renault.... McLaren is stable...
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