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Head To Head Lewis Hamilton vs Valtteri Bottas

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by FB, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    I agree with vintly. It's the dominant team that's so boring, it's not the fault of a driver, who drives flat out. We need better teams, and closer racing.
     
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  3. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    I have just been reading that Hamilton wants an end to Data sharing. So he doesn't want to share with Bottas, I wonder what that implies.
    I wonder if he's thought that through, after all it works both ways.
     
  4. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    FTFY
     
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  5. Tuscan1969

    Tuscan1969 Points Scorer

    Titch I think he has thought it through very comprehensively. Hamilton calls for end to data sharing between team-mates in F1
     
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  6. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Googles Bertrand whatsit.... Oh ok, I get it, but if you EVER misquote me again I'll piss on your bicycle, d'ya hear?!
     
  7. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    I do it frequently, no point in stopping.
     
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  8. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    So he has Tuscan1969, and, he makes some very valid points.
     
  9. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    Only a bloke would think it natural to do that.

    :facepalm:
     
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  10. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

    "Hamilton wants no more data sharing with team mates"

    I think it is due to how often those who are against Hamilton
    as the argument was saying that Hamilton don't able to work
    with engineers and machine and are using teammates settings.
    But that's strange, that, for example, with the settings
    which he had got from Alonso Hamilton often acted better than Alonso :)
     
  11. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    But it's in the team's interest to make both cars as fast as they can be. So I doubt his request will be granted.

    It actually exposes one of the key dilemmas for the future of F1, namely reconciling the business that it is in reality, with the ideal that (some) fans imagine it to be, perhaps naively.
     
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  12. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

    Nor is rarely sound the phrases that it is necessary
    so the result of more dependent on the pilots themselves
    and not from theirs teams
     
  13. marksawatsky

    marksawatsky Points Scorer Contributor

    I agree with LH that certain data shouldn't be shared between drivers. I race in the Rotax Max series and at some point may represent my country at the World Finals. I would be pretty upset if my team shared my data with other drivers on my team. Sure, share my tire pressure or alignment settings, but don't tell them where I'm braking or what my line is.
     
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  14. sobriety

    sobriety Podium Finisher

    Apologies for going wildly off topic.

    Ohhhh, they're rotax 122 engines, are you guys using the delorto vhsb34ld carbs still? If you are, is playing with the needle the right way to go to eliminate the 5-6k rpm flat/dead spot?

    (don't worry, I'm not a rival kartist, I just have a couple of rotax engined aprilia motorbikes...)

    And to bring it back on topic. One of the mercedes drivers will be faster than the other this year.
     
  15. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel In the zone. Valued Member

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    So we now know he believes he's better than Bottas at setting up a car. Not sure he said this when up against his last two team-mates.
     
  16. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Yeah, but they'd had more practice...
     
  17. The Pits

    The Pits Harumph. Again. Valued Member

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    To be fair, Lewis has been very open with his, and indeed his team mates data in the past. I think we have all seen some...

    Being serious though, i think he has a point to a degree. Share set up, engine mode and safety info, but line, braking points etc, to me is part of the art of a driver, and pushing and trying new lines takes skill. The best drivers will generally rise to the top by working these things out, but to have a team mate effectively be given that which the other driver worked hard for seems like ot could be stopped
     
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  18. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Andyoak Mezzer agree but it did help he somehow was shielded from all the political infighting so he can concentrate on the track and Todt and Brawn were responsible for that

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    the data sharing issue I think the issue is Mercedes play it so down the middle that there is little flexibility for the drivers to make an impact to change the results because they know all the data


    Remember Hamilton has experienced this with Alonso who realised Hamilton was using his own set up to beat him so decided not to share data back in 2007 and his results were less consistent

    All the top drivers have played this card to gain superiority over their teammate especially when they feel they are getting to close for comfort

    Schumacher as soon he thought Herbert was quick decided he would not allow him access to his telemetry

    Rossi in MOto GP put a dividing wall to stop Lorenzo having access to his data when he was a threat
     
  19. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives He's the master of going faster Contributor

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    I think he's right. I think they should set up on their own. I think Bottas (who Isn't too shabby on set up) would say he was right too. Merc on the other hand will say they have to share. Got to protect those 1-2s. We've seen time and time again that's their priority.
     
  20. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Well maybe Hamilton has been speaking to a few people and heard that Bottas has a better brain capacity to process information than Rosberg did is also a worry for him
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    The way Mercedes are doing it makes the racing close but also at times uninspiring and not gripping because Hamilton probably thinks he is being held back by the rigid race strategies both drivers must run to
     
  21. Incubus

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    It really is quite simple behind the posturing. The team and its sponsors pay the drivers' wages, not the other way around. It's in the team's interests for both cars to be as competitive as possible. The team jas access to each driver's entire data so there isn't much point in any driver insisting on not sharing data because in reality they have no way of preventing it anyway.

    It's a team's sport first and a driver's sport second. That's the way it's always been and the way it will always be. Drivers are replaceable, teams less so.
     
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