Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Considering the problems that there have been I think that both drivers have handled things very well, especially when you consider that they both are WDCs.
 
I think someone should send him deckchairs for Christmas Present and address it to the Mclaren factory at Woking or the Honda plant in Milton Keynes because he will spend time waiting for the car to run

Anyone seen his amusing twitter feed #placeswhereAlonsowantstobe
 
Do not write Honda/McLaren off for next season before March. The Honda engine is producing more power no than halfway through the season, when they get the energy recovery system working it could be close to the rest.
 
Bill Boddy I hope so because then we might have 4 world champions competing at the front... I discount Kimi because he's a soldierer around

Trouble is Mclaren have to come up with 2.5 seconds gap a lap over the winter. Now I know something similar happened in 2009 with Mclaren so if anyone can do it they can but it will seriously take a herculean effort
 
Mclaren would do well to find Alonso an extra 2.5 seconds a race next year. Alonso seems to have done an Emerson and chose to finish a great career in F1 by running around at the back of the grid.
 
Never mind 2.5 seconds. McLaren surely need to find 4 or 5 seconds, since everybody will be a good two seconds quicker next year than they were at the start of this season.
 
If Honda come up with a good energy replenishment system that could easily save 2.5 seconds a lap. Mercedes will, of course, improve during the winter but they must be in the position where it is very difficult to get further improvements.
 
I honestly expect that, barring a HUGE improvement by McLaren-Honda, this will be the final season for FA. He isn't getting any younger (are any of us?) and his abilities are, as a result, on the decline. The question is: can the McLaren team improve enough to give him a realistic hope of another WDC (IMO, the answer is a resounding NO!!!!!). Or would another, more competitive team be willing to take a chance on a descending star? Again, I suspect the answer is no! Therefore, what choices does he have: prolong a career in decline, thereby placing his reputation in jeopardy, or does he retire? I suspect the latter.
 
Agreed. Just thinking it would be Nando's only option by the end of the year if he wants a relatively competitive drive / engine should McLaren still be in the doldrums.
 
I think this is quite interesting:
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Source: F1Metrics.

That is the median percentage time difference from the 2015 Mercedes based on qualifying times on tracks that had dry qualiying sessions and identical tyre compounds in both 2014 and 2015 (Bahrain, Spain, Monaco, Canada, Austria, Hungary, Singapore, Japan, and Abu Dhabi).

McLaren or rather Honda have fairly similar problems as Ferrari had in 2014, albeit to a greater extent. But even a gain equivalent to what Ferrari made from 2014 into 2015 (1.1%) would only pull McLaren into 5th place at best, still over 1.5% off Mercedes, and that is assuming the other teams stand still. McLaren would have to make a gain of around 1.4% over the winter just to draw level with the 2015 Red Bull. The median percentage difference between Vettel and Raikkonen's fastest times in qualifying this year was ~0.4% for comparison, and was nearly 0.6% between Alonso and Raikkonen in 2014.

Of course a qualifying time analysis doesn't account for the fact that some teams have a stronger driver line up than others, and McLaren arguably have the best on the grid right now so the reality of their position is probably even worse than the chart above portrays.
Two other teams relevant to McLaren's position were also probably held back quite a lot by their drivers - Force India and Toro Rosso. Force India only ran their 2015-spec chassis for about half the season too, during which they actually outscored Red Bull and almost matched Williams despite what I think is clearly a weaker driver line up.
So it is entirely possible that, assuming equal drivers, McLaren will end up as 7th best team on the grid next year behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Williams, Force India, Red Bull and Toro Rosso, even if they make as big a gain as Ferrari did and assuming the other teams stayed completely still.

The average gain by the non-McLaren teams in 2015 was 0.71%, so even if McLaren make it into 7th spot in the constructors they are probably going to be a long way off whoever is in 6th position. Given their drive line up they should hopefully still be contenders for the lower end of the points, but I'm personally not expecting much more than that.
 
I'm expecting a lot more from McLaren this season simply because they have the resources and the talent in their team, especially driver talent. Honda and McLaren have to succeed it's who they are in every sense. The only negative that may be a problem is the time, money and effort they're committed to with the IRL in the States, though I think Honda America run virtually as a separate company so that may not be an issue. I still believe Alonso will be close to the sharp end of the grid by the time they reach Europe after the away races. I said last season 2015 would be a development year, we won't have long to wait to see how big a gains they've made.
 
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