Grand Prix 2015 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

So the second half of the F1 season will start with the epic race through the Ardennes forest that is Spa-Francorchamps. The track has more iconic corners and sections than most of the rest of the F1 tracks have put together. What would a modern F1 season be without a race here? Well I guess it would be 2003 or 2006 but lets forget those and say how F1 would not be F1 without a race here. The teams certainly enjoy it and after they've all be sunning themselves on beaches for the last month (apart from Ferrari of course who have secretly been developing parts with Haas in America....allegedly) so they will be raring to go. No one will want it to come round quicker that Mercedes who had a bit of a nightmare in Hungary. Both their drivers have a reputation of losing heart after a bad result and dropping form so they'll be hoping that things run smoothly in the first part of the weekend and they start to get back in the control position they have sat in for most of the season. With Ferrari winning the race on pure pace last time out though both the team and drivers will be forgiven for looking curiously over their shoulder. Is it possible that Ferrari could mount a second half of the season championship challenge? Vettel certainly seems to have got a sniff of it.

Away from the front pair with have a Red Bull team who will probably be depressed as hell that their form of double podium last time out will sink into nothingness as their engine power lets them down and dumps them back into the pack. Whilst they've had a lot of stick off everyone for how they keep complaining about the Renault engines after seeing how good their chassie was at a track that doesn't require as much engine grunt you start to see their point. Wherever they are in the field Danii Kvyat will hope he continues to take little chunks out of Ricciardo's points lead on him. The young Russian will be on a high after his first podium and he showed in GP3 days he's pretty good round Spa. That's not to say Ricciardo isn't on form though, he had a great race last time out, but he really needs to work on those starts. In the Red Bull B team the fight between Sainz and Verstappen will continue. Verstappen has the points upper hand after his 4th in Hungary but Sainz has usually come out on top on this one.

Will the McLaren revival be dead on arrival? Great results in Hungary but I can't see the Honda engine doing too well on the long straights of Spa and Monza. However both have been known to have a high attrition rate through crashes so maybe if the McLaren keeps it clean and tidy they'll continue to pick up points. That means from a McLaren point of view they have to hope Pastor Maldonado carries on as he has been doing for the Enstone team. 4 penalties in one race I think is a record for F1 and surely we are approaching a 1 race ban for Crashtor. It can't be doing Enstone any favours in the cash department either especially as they are supposed to be broke. They at least have Grosjean quietly doing a good job though. Williams should be on strong form at Spa but you never really sure which Williams you're going to get on race day. I'm sure they'll make it their priority to not get involved in a race with the Mercs but whether they can mix it up with the Ferrari's is anyones guess. One man who will probably be mixing it up in the top 10 as long as his car holds together is Nico Hulkenberg. Hulkenberg seems to have re-discovered his appetite for F1 after his Le Mans win. The other curve ball into the F1 mix at Spa might be Manor. The decision still hasn't been made on whether they will run their 2015 car with the 2015 Ferrari engine. If they decide to it could bump them up the field a bit and make everyone have to be on their toes in Q1.

I hope the run of good races F1 has will continue with this one but once again I can't see past a Hamilton pole and cruise to victory. Mind you I said that at Hungary.
 
what happened to the Honda engine upgrade I guess Mr Arai forgot that other teams have found a way to improve their cars as well
 
The Mercs in a class of their own or I should say Hamilton being 0.4 seconds faster than Rosberg and a whopping 1.3seconds in q3

I guess only carnage at Spa is the only way to get an exciting race
 
Carnage generally means DNF. How does that make for an exciting race? We have some people who might be out of position, that might be interesting to watch, as long as there is not a carnage that takes them out of the race.
 
Arai has got to learn to shut up in my opinion because I dont think it would seem as bad of he hadnt said they be on par with Ferrari & then there on track 15kph down on everyone a second down on making Q2
 
Vettel said he didn't make any mistakes. So that's probably what the car was capable of. Tomorrow in the race they might be faster though. But faster than the guys ahead? Dunno. He'll have Maldonado and Grosjean alongside him though. That's gonna be interesting. No, worrying.

Vettel did make a couple of errors and blames himself for his position. Error Free he still doesn't think he'd have made P3 but would have been higher than P9. He reckons he lost about 2 tenths with his error. I tnink he'll improve his position in the race.
Vettel admits to 'costly' Q3 mistake - AUTOSPORT

Stunning pole lap from Hamilton. That's the pole trophy sewn up already. Impressive from Perez and Sainz. Big shame about Grosjean's grid drop. The Williams look strong, Didn't show their hand till quali and there they were!
The race could still have some interesting surprises with so many drivers out of place, the new clutch regulations and the threat of rain.
 
Seriously what was the message between Mr Arai and MClaren last year in preparing the engine .. it just seems they are miles off target and his perception of progress is not in line with where Mclaren wants
 
Vettel did make a couple of errors and blames himself for his position. Error Free he still doesn't think he'd have made P3 but would have been higher than P9. He reckons he lost about 2 tenths with his error. I tnink he'll improve his position in the race.
Yeah you're right. I've heard at the time him talking about last corner and going a bit deep, but I didn't think it was 3tenths and more. He later on said 2 tenths he might have lost. I didn't think it would amount to that much, then again it wouldn't make him 3rd anyway
 
Ideal Lap (sum best sectors) in theQual:
Qual – No – Driver – Qual Result –Ideal Lap – Flaw
1 – 44 – L.HAMILTON – 01:47,197 – 01:47,197 – 00,000
2 – 6 – N.ROSBERG – 01:47,655 – 01:47,599 – 00,056
3 – 77 – V.BOTTAS – 01:48,537 – 01:48,325 – 00,212
5 – 11 – S.PEREZ – 01:48,599 – 01:48,532 – 00,067
4 – 8 – R.GROSJEAN – 01:48,561 – 01:48,537 – 00,024
7 – 19 – F.MASSA – 01:48,685 – 01:48,541 – 00,144
8 – 13 – P.MALDONADO – 01:48,754 – 01:48,633 – 00,121
6 – 3 – D.RICCIARDO – 01:48,639 – 01:48,639 – 00,000
9 – 5 – S.VETTEL – 01:48,825 – 01:48,659 – 00,166
10 – 55 – C.SAINZ – 01:49,771 – 01:49,026 – 00,745
 
I wouldn't say Rosberg did a bad job today. I don't think Rosberg has done a bad job all season. He's been up in his head sometimes but not been doing a bad job. Its just that Hamilton is better than him.
 
Is there any moment in sports more anticipated than a GP start? Since about 9:05 AM EST this morning I've gone through just about every eventuality in my mind. And the one that keeps reoccurring is Nico snatching the lead on lap 1. I would actually say the odds are in his favor to be leading into lap 2. That would probably make for a better race, but selfishly I would love to watch a demonstration run tomorrow. There is literally no telling what may transpire in about 11 hrs time though. Maybe I'll tune in...
 
I don't care what anybody says, the starts being in control by only the drivers is going to make for some interesting races. Imagine if Lewis fluffs the start and drops to 15th, all of us will be greatly entertained watching him try to get back to the front
 
I agree it was impressive from Hamilton but isn't it an odd sport when less than half a second is lauded so highly.
Couldn't agree more. I was listening to the Sky commentary team criticising Rosberg for a very poor lap and what an excellent lap Hamilton put in and I thought am I missing something. As you say, less than half a second, less than a blink of the eye, go figure.:rolleyes:
 
Anyone else notice how much effort the Merc boys were putting in on finding the clutch bite points when they came in to parc ferme? It looks like they are, perhaps, more worried than anyone else about getting off the line. Maybe Hungary has something to do with this?
 
Yeah, a gap of five tenths at Spa would correspond to a gap of 3 tenths at the majority of tracks.


Was Rosberg's 1st sector faster than Hamilton's by the way?

Yes it was. According to Sky's commentators Rosberg's first and third sector were both faster than Hamilton's. Lewis made all the difference in the second.

Now this could be significant because it could suggest Nico went for a lower drag set-up.If this is true Lewis will find it very difficult to keep him behind on the run-up to Lew Combes in the first lap.
 
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