Grand Prix 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Yes, its a tad early, but I'm not sure about being online tommorow and i'll do it now just to be safe. Well anyway, after a 3 week break, F1 roars back to life at the Tilke designed Instanbul Park circuit with the first European race of the season . F1 has been extremely unpredictable so far (apart from the pace of Vettel) and there seems no reason for this to change in Turkey barring the competitiveness, or lack of, this weekend.

Last years race is remembered for close action and fighting at the front, namely two incidents; The now famous crash between Vettel and Webber and Hamilton and Button arguing on track about who's going to win the race.

While we expect Red Bull and McLaren to pick up from where they left off in China with strong qualifying and race pace, it remains to be seen whether Ferrari can fulfill their pre season promise and finally get back to the front after 3 (or in Massa's case 2) lacklustre races. And what about Mercedes and Renault? Both teams will be aiming at the podium after strong drives this season with Heidfeld and Petrov getting 3rd places and Rosberg leading a sizeable portion in China before finishing a strong fifth behind the Red Bulls and McLarens. Williams appear to be going backwards and are now on a level with Team Lotus for pace and they will need a strong performance to banish doubts, and falling share prices. The midfield has also become increasingly conjested with Sauber, Force India and Torro Rosso fighting over the small points with the likes of Di Resta and Perez making positive early impressions with Sutil and the evergreen Barichello struggling.

At the back HRT and Virgin continue to squabble at the back with HRT finally getting their act together and posing a real problem for Virgin who have recently employed Pat Symonds to evaluate the outfit and suggest ways of improvement due to no increase in pace of their 2011 challenger and they could end up slipping behind the improving Hispania team.

Turkey has become famous for its high speed turn 8 which will no doubt help the likes of Red Bull with their *ahem* flexi-wings and it would be a foolish man to bet against a Red Bull Vettel taking pole on Saturday, but as Murray Walker said, anything can happen and it usally does, particulary with rain being forecast for the latter part of the week, we might be seeing the intermediate tyres being used for the first time this season. Tyres will again be the watch word though whatever the weather, along with marbles.

With the Turkish Grand Prix currently under threat due to rising prices and low attendance figures, this year could be the last time we see F1 cars grace the sweeping track and one of Tilkes' better tracks and if the last 3 grand prix are anything to go by, we should be in for a cracker this weekend.

For Galahad's superb circuit write up see http://cliptheapex.com/pages/istanbul-park/
 
Another lights to flag victory for Vettel; I can see him wrapping the title up well before the end of the season.

The first 1-2 of the season also and it was only ever going to be Red Bull who achieved it.

Hamilton went from hero to zero on the first lap, almost taking Mark for 3rd but ending up in 6th; he managed to recover though and finish in 4th.

Button wasn't able to make his 3 stopper work.

Ferrari are definitely back in the game, that 'promotional day' seems to have been quite useful.

Loads of racing, loads of overtaking, the most pitstops ever.
So why do I have a huge feeling of being unfulfilled and disappointed?
 
Red Bull are too much quicker than the other 11 and Vettel is too much quicker than Mark Webber. Vettel will be champion unless Mclaren and Ferrari improve their cars.

I think F1 needs to workout this DRS as well. Drivers were just cruising past each other.
 
So why do I have a huge feeling of being unfulfilled and disappointed?

Because you're more of a purist that you would own too.

I loved it, particularly after all the processions of recent years - if we can just hex Vettel the rest of the season will be magic. :snigger:
 
Well done Seb on another flawless drive. Great effort by Alonso, shame about LH's pit-stop but as things things turned out it probably didn't make any difference to the result.

i think this race yet again confirms Red Bull's quali advantage isn't so big in race-trim, but Seb just seems able to dominate whatever they throw at him.

Can anybody stop him? You'd have to say it doesn't look likely...
 
I think my idea for the DRS might be a solution. If they can get it working on GPS then they could make the wing shut as soon as a driver is next to the car he is overtaking. Then hopefully we'd see more wheel to wheel racing. It seems silly to have the DRS being used to cruise up next to an opponent and then still being used to cruise away from them on one straight.
 
The F duct was a drivers tool with their choice when, where and how to use it, The flappy wing, letter box or whatever one cares to call and the rules of its application it is a joke. We've just seen how it'll work at Monza so expect another comedy race there.
 
DRS didn't make for the easy passes. The easiest passing came when the drivers were on worn tires.

I quite enjoyed all the battling.

The name of the game this year is FRESH TIRES. Pirelli needs to provide more sets. It's that simple.
 
I'm also frankly amazed that Ferrari/Massa weren't even investigated for an unsafe release.

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But they never ever do do they?

How many times do a team ever get penalised for unsafe release? We have seen countless instances of it over the past few years and they never ever seem to get penalised... does the rule mean anything at all?
 
This season is definitely looking like 2004 with more overtaking in the mid-field due to that bloody flap on the rear wing.. A sad day for F1..
 
There was some spectacular racing in there (despite some easy DRS/tyre related passes). Hamilton passing and being repassed by button and button-massa-rosberg being just a couple of examples. The battle up front was far less entertaining though other than the brief Webber - Alonso bouts, I hope someone can stop Seb soon but it just doesn't seem likely. He is driving better than last year and the car is behaving better than last year, all in all - championship over way before the end.
 
Hamilton's last pit stop was 21 seconds, instead of 4 (or whatever it is).

Without that it's possible he could have challenged for third?
 
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