Grand Prix 2012 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Doesn't time fly! The summer break is approaching the end and after an astonishing Olympics which gripped a nation, the attention now turns across the Channel to see if another Brit can continue his push for glory. Victory in Hungary saw Lewis Hamilton reignite his stuttering season and closed (however small) the gap to Alonso to just over 40 points. The update package introduced in Germany have thrown McLaren back to the front again and just in time as any longer and Hamilton would have been out of the title battle just like his team-mate has been after a nightmare summer for Button. Hamilton has generally gone well at Spa with 1 win, a third place and a fourth. Although depending on your viewpoint it should be 2 wins and a fourth after the 2008 mess.

Although the true king of Spa has returned to the throne in the Lotus and with wins in 2004,2005,2007 and 2009 (close to winning in 2008 as well) not many would bet against the Iceman taking his first victory of the season at his favourite track. The Lotus has been in good form in recent races and a second and third in Hungary proved that where they pushed Hamilton from lights to flag but couldn't quite get past the McLaren driver.

Belgium is famous for it's 4 seasons in a hour in all different parts of the track weather and no doubt if rain is about that plays into the hands of the Championship leader Alonso as the Ferrari is the quickest car in the wet but possibly only the 4th quickest car in the dry, that was evident at Hungary anyway, whether that translates to Spa it is unknown, however Ferrari have traditionally been quick at Spa having won more times there (16) than anyone else so they/Alonso will be in the mix on race day, well let's face it, Massa won't be.

The big unknown here is Red Bull, having had to make several changes to their car to stop make sure it is legal and it has affected performance in recent races and they weren't in the hunt in Hungary. Indeed, Double World Champion Sebastian Vettel is on the longest winless streak since he joined Red Bull in 2009 having not won since Bahrain in April and the young German is currently a few points behind Mark Webber who has had somewhat of a resurgance this year having won at Monaco and Silverstone to become the leading chase driver in the Championship behind Alonso. No doubt Red Bull will be keen to avoid the infighting that nearly cost them the 2010 Championship and to ensure that they don't fall foul of any more FIA regulations as any more problems could see them slip behind Hamilton and possibly even Raikkonen.

Raikkonen is viewed by many as the dark horse for the Championship. He's only a few points behind Hamilton despite having yet to win a race this season which is a testament to his consistency, something which so nearly got him the 2003 title despite only winning one race all year (Malaysia). He's closed down bigger gaps in the past (2007) so he could play a major part in the Championship and if he doesn't ultimately end up in the mix at the end of the season, he'll certainly play a part in terms of taking points off other drivers as he will want to be in contention for podiums and wins as the first win has eluded him so far. He's certainly having a very successful comeback so far and has shown that the 2 years he's had out hasn't affected him whatsoever.

For Galahad 's circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
Di Resta just tweeted and said he had no KER'S all afternoon, so good drive from him today to get a point.

I feel sorry for di Resta. The two races in which Force India have really had a chance for big points he's had bad luck. In Valencia if he'd pitted for new tyres he'd have had a podium and here he had no KERS on a track in which it accounts for a lot of lap time. He now finds himself behind his team-mate in the WDC. I wouldn't be surprised if Hulkenberg got the Mercedes seat over di Resta, simply because they seem similarly matched but he's got the nationality card to play in addition.
 
It's been said that Maldanado's jump start ..kicked off the accident, IMO it did...........
Lewis was not quick off the start...maybe avoiding another confrontation with Pastor.....
Romain ruined the race for several drivers...but it could have been so much worse especially for Fernando
All said .....I feel sorry for RG......over enthusiastic but not malicious..........Pastor has deserved a race ban for several of his ..IMO deliberate over aggressive vindictive moves...
RG behaviour does deserve a race ban but Maldanado has got away with too much, because there hasn't been so much carnage.
 
What an odd reason not to penalise someone.
The stewards obviously thought it was worth investigating but are prepared to ignore the rule book on the say so of another team?
 
Personally, I think the stewards poking their noses into any and every "incident" or even "could-have-become-an-incident", however minor, is ruining F1. The nannies are altering grids and results so often that on-track performances are almost becoming meaningless.
 
I am gutted and appalled to hear of RoGro's penalty. The wording of the penalty has already been stated earlier in this thread and speaks very negatively of the FIA. I am paraphrasing, but I believe the wording was along the lines of "due to the incident involving title contenders" the punishment was much more server.

My reading of this is that there are a set of rules for the front runners and a set of rules for those less privileged. RG's race ban is fine, I believe that the punishment should be put in place as it will reinforce in the drivers' mind what is expected of them at the start of a race. HOWEVER, my problem is, and always will be, with the consistency of the stewards.

I believe that if Alonso had caused the incident that there would be absolutely no race ban at all. It wouldn't even have been discussed because it was Alonso. With him being a title contender a race ban just wouldn't have happened, he would instead receive a grid drop. How on earth can this be tolerated. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

How has Maldonado been able the keep his spot on the grid all year after the incidents he has pulled? Granted there was less carnage, but the intent was deffinately there. All I am seeing on this forum is that RG didn't mean to hit Lewis but he needs better awareness at the starts. However, I don't see his need for better special awareness alone as a reason to ban him. It needs to be about the racing incident.

The punishment must fit the crime, NOT the circumstance in which we find ourselves. It is justice for all, not punishment handed down on individual occasions to best suit the driver standings at present. We need a standardized rule book for infractions with clear cut parameters and punishments that the stewards look at. No deliberating over how you feel this incident will affect the WDC, but a hard lined approach where you look at an incident, use telemetry to see who is at fault, consult the handbook and say "driver A just broke rule 13.c by cutting across the racetrack, collided with another car which resulted in a multi car incident. The prescribed punishment is _______."

End of discussion.

I would also like to congratulate Button on a champions drive today and all weekend. Just what I, like all your fans, know you are capable of.
 
Why is Pastor deemed to be the Devil's spawn and everything he does is malicious and Romain is just inept, overambitious or too exuberant?

This is not a rhetorical question - I would be quite interested to see evidence of either/both behaviours. Hamberg has posted a link detailing Grosgean's accepted culpability, but what about Pastor? He ain't going to say 'yep, I wanted to punt the bugger of and hang the consequences' is he? - but equally he could be just as prone to youthful and inexperienced race craft.

I'm not standing up for either, just intrigued as to how a conclusion is reached.
 
Of all the starts this year Grosjean has caused an incident in over 40% of them. That's what differentiates him from Alonso and judging by his reaction he is gutted and doing exactly what i hope the punishment would result in.

He didn't seem to acknowledge he has a spatial awareness problem beforehand and would shake it off I suspect before - now he knows it's serious. Unfortunately Maldonado has a serious attitude problem and I think the something serious needs to be done with drivers that attract that many penalties in one race let alone the season.

Alonso's put it very well I think and highlights a bigger issue that is getting worse as the drivers get younger and the cars get safer:

"I am not angry with Grosjean, he definitely didn’t do it on purpose: it was a case of me being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Rather, I think that certain drivers should try and take fewer risks at the start: it’s a bit of a tendency currently in the junior formulae, but it would be better, if right from the start of their career, they got used to respecting more strictly the rules relating to behaviour on track."
 
At what point/type of incident do you think it is acceptable for them to poke their noses in?

Basically something egregious.

There have been more nanny interventions in the last 5 years than in the previous 50 put together.
When they start meting out penalties because someone didn't leave enough room to land an A380 in when they left the pits, that, to me, is a bit much.
 
Here is Pastor's post race quote Jen which isn't dissimilar to all his others where he absolutely lacks personal responsibility.

Pastor Maldonado (DNF)
“I made a slight mistake at the start because the clutch slipped out of my hands before the red light switched off. We then got caught up in the first corner incident and that compromised our race. I’m disappointed because we could have scored some good points here, but it’s not long until the next race so we’re looking forward now.”

It's excuse after denial of culpability after excuse with him with what has looked like some pretty nasty moves namely on Hamilton and on Perez. This is my reasons for believing he is a nasty piece of work that will never learn. Grosjean on the other hand has apologised, tried to explain what it's like and said he's going to learn from it. All my opinion of course.
 
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