Russian GP to be cancelled?

Il_leone

Champion Elect
As you may be well aware of the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. This is now further exacerbated by the flight MH17 being shot down within the region. Bernie is now under pressure from politicians to cancel the race later this year

Knowing Bernie's stance - I think this will fall on deaf ears as F1 again should be not interfere with politics
 

mjo

Procrastinating
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Nope. Apparently they're paying $60 million to have the race there. Bernie wouldn't say no to that, and a few people saying 'please don't go there' wouldn't stop him.
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
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This makes me laugh. I've seen a lot about "cancel the Grand Prix", "boycott the World Cup" etc.

Knowing the modus operandi of Messers Ecclestone and Blatter, the best way to punish Russia is to inflict the Grand Prix and World Cup upon them, they'll just come away remembering an event they were unsuccessful in and wondering where all their money had gone.

If he won't cancel Bahrain, he won't cancel Sochi.
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Should we run a book on attendance?

The Ukraine separatists could attend in shifts over the weekend, plumped up by Russian oligarchs and their retinue!

FFS who in their right mind will want to go there now? Or indeed beforehand?
 
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Greenlantern101

Super Hero And All Round Good Guy
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This is a non-event.

First Russia have not admitted to 'supporting' the russian separatists. This is because they are Russian soldiers acting in an illegal war.

Second, the separatists have shot down an airplane using an advanced surface to air missile system that fires 6 meter long missile and cannot be fired by an untrained man on the street. It is a complex weapons system.

Third this was clearly a mistake by the men on the ground. The aircraft was flying over a war zone. So they shot it down.

If Russia admit blame, they admit to an illegal war perpetrated by Russian soldiers under order, posing as separatists and armed with russian advanced weapon systems that only russian soldiers could have in their control and be trained to use.

Not only do they admit to the mistake of shooting down an airliner of 257 innocent civilians but they also admit to the illegal annexing of Crimea and the instigation of civil war costing over 1000 innocent civilian lives in the Ukraine with the ultimate intent of reclaiming control of Ukraine.

In short, there is no ****ing way Russia will admit any blame for the shooting down of MH17 and therefore no reason to cancel an F1 race because of it.
 
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Mephistopheles

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Formula one isn't a soap box for politicians to stand on simply to advance their own idealism's and careers F1 goes there they race someone wins then they go to another country and race, no politics involved..

If anyone believes that any politician actually gives a stuff about that airplane or the people on it then they are deluded...
 
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teabagyokel

#dejavu
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Mephistopheles - They stopped going there when Mandela became president, which suggests either Ecclestone is significantly more than 10 years behind, or Madiba was more than 10 years ahead of the silly sods who're still paying for this...
 

Mephistopheles

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I think F1 should boycott the American GP

Korean War
  • 23 September 1950: During the "Battle of Hill 282", three USAF P-51 Mustang aircraft attacked a position held by British Army of 1st Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, with guns and napalm, killing 17 and wounding 76.
Gulf War
  • 26 February 1991: Nine British soldiers of the 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, were killed and further 11 injured after their Warrior armoured vehicles were hit by Maverick missiles fired by two U.S. A-10 ground attack aircraft. An Oxford inquest returned a verdict of unlawful killings.
  • 27 February 1991: Two British soldiers of the Queen's Royal Irish Hussars were injured when their Scorpion armoured vehicles were fired on by U.S. M1 Abrams tanks.
  • 14 April 1994: In the 1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident, 26 Allied military and civilian personnels, including two British Army officers, were killed when two U.S. Air Force F-15Cs fighter aircraft shot down two U.S. Army UH-60 Black Hawks helicopters they were in.
War in Afghanistan
  • 5 December 2006: British Marine Private Jonathan Wigley's death was caused by gunfire from a U.S. F-18 aircraft.
  • July 2007: British Guardsman Matthew Lyne-Pirkis, of the Grenadier Guards, was wounded along with three other allied soldiers of the Afghan National Army after being hit by gunfire from a U.S. Apache helicopter gunship.
  • 23 August 2007: A bomb dropped by an F-15 killed three soldiers of the Royal Anglian Regiment and wounded a further two.
  • 21 December 2009: A British soldier was fatally shot by a US helicopter crew in Afghanistan who thought they were attacking an enemy base. Gunfire from the helicopters left 11 injured on the ground.
  • 5 December 2010: Private John Howard was killed by American troops after soldiers called for backup. Private Howard is understood to have died as the low-flying pilot attempted to strafe an enemy target with cannon fire.
Iraq War
  • 23 March 2003: A British Tornado jet was shot down by a U.S. Patriot missile, killing two crewmen.
  • 28 March 2003: British Lance-Corporal of Horse Matty Hull was killed by U.S. A-10 jets as well as five others wounded in the 190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident.
  • 6 April 2003: BBC World Affairs Editor John Simpson and members of his crew were injured when a bomb dropped from a U.S. F-15 aircraft hit a friendly Kurdish and U.S. Special Forces convoy, killing 15 people, including BBC translator Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed.
 
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F1Yorkshire

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Ok Mephistopheles I see the point you're trying to make but if we excluded every country that had committed a war crime or government sponsored domestic troubles we wouldn't have a calendar at all.

Australia
Killed Japanese POW's during WWII

Bahrain
Already well documented incidents of recent civil unrest.

China
Chairman Mao. Enough said.

Spain
200,000 executions during the civil war.

Monaco
The principality is apparently a haven for War Criminals
http://www.rnw.nl/international-justice/article/opinion-monaco-a-haven…-war-criminals

Austria.
Hitler

Britain
Too many to list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

Germany.
See Austria.

Hungary
Lots of crimes by people called Laszlo for some reason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hungarian_people_convicted_of_war_crimes

Belgium
The home of the war crimes tribunal isn't quite so innocent itself. They were instigated in the murder of the Congo leader Lumumba

Italy
Mussolini

Japan
Again too many to mention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

Russia
No comment needed

USA
See post above.

Brazil
Well documented civil unrest including actual offences committed against an F1 team

So basically none of the major hosts are innocent and the only races that we can go to with a clear conscience are:
Canada, Singapore and Abu Dhabi.
 

F1Yorkshire

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Very true teabagyokel Most countries wouldn't be where they are today without committing some atrocities along the way. Is it possible to come up with a calendar that would be made up of entirely of ethical countries?
 
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