My 2011 rankings thus far: Round 11

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I know this isn't the most incisive bit of analysis, but here is how I view the drivers so far (Scores in each race out of 10)

Car Driver Team Race Breakdown Score %Score Rank
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 8,9,7,8,9,9,6,8,7,5,7 84/110 76.36 1st
2 Mark Webber Red Bull 4,6,9,7,5,8,6,7,6,8,7 73/110 66.36 6th
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 9,4,10,6,9,3,3,6,9,9,8 76/110 69.09 3rd=
4 Jenson Button McLaren 6,8,7,6,6,9,9,6,8,7,9 81/110 73.64 2nd
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 6,3,5,8,5,9,6,8,10,9,6 75/110 68.18 5th
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 5,7,8,5,3,4,5,7,6,8,6 64/110 58.18 15th
7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 3,7,7,3,8,6,9,3,6,6,5 63/110 57.27 17th=
8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 6,4,7,8,6,5,4,6,7,8,7 68/110 61.82 11th=
9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 4,9,5,7,9,6,6,6,8,3,6 69/110 62.73 9th=
10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 9,6,6,6,5,8,7,5,4,7,6 69/110 62.73 9th=
11 Rubens Barrichello Williams 4,5,5,7,6,7,7,6,5,5,6 63/110 57.27 17th=
12 Pastor Maldonado Williams 4,4,3,6,6,8,6,4,7,6,5 59/110 53.64 20th
14 Adrian Sutil Force India 6,4,3,6,7,7,3,8,6,9,4 63/110 57.27 17th=
15 Paul di Resta Force India 8,9,7,6,6,3,5,6,5,3,8 66/110 60 14th
16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 7,8,8,9,6,8,8,5,5,7,5 76/110 69.09 3rd=
17 Sergio Perez Sauber 10,6,3,6,8,X,X,7,8,6,4 58/90 64.44 8th
17 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber 6 6/10 60 NC
18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 8,6,5,5,6,6,7,5,5,6,9 68/110 61.82 11th=
19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 5,5,5,6,6,3,9,9,7,6,7 68/110 61.82 11th=
20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 5,6,8,6,4,7,6,6,8,7,8 71/110 64.55 7th
21 Jarno Trulli Lotus 5,5,5,6,6,7,3,5,5,X,5 52/100 52 23rd
21 Karun Chandhok Lotus 2 2/10 20 NC
22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT X,5,6,6,5,5,5,3,X,X,X 35/70 50 24th
22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT 3,6,8 17/30 56.67 NC
23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT X,6,6,5,5,5,7,6,6,6,6 58/100 58 16th
24 Timo Glock Virgin 5,6,3,X,5,5,5,6,6,6,6 53/100 53 21st
25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin 5,6,6,6,6,6,4,5,4,6,4 58/110 52.73 22nd

Drivers with less than 6 results are not classified
 
Hungary - You gave Vettel and Webber the SAME mark - 7? :o

Worse still, you gave Button 2 ranks higher than Vettel - a 9 - for qualifying worse than him and bearly beating him eventhough he was in a McLaren that's acknowledged to be superior to the Red Bull, especially in those climatic conditions? :rolleyes:

Really?

Why would you give Vettel such a poor mark especially given the fact that you're giving Alguersauri and Rosberg the same?
 
On the whole the final positions are about right though there are things I would change. For example:
  • Webber probably wouldn't be in my top 10. He's scored consistently but he's in the best car on the grid and his team-mate has won six races whilst he's won none. It's a situation not too disimilar to Ferrari, and you've put Massa 15th so I think something between 10th and 15th would be more appropriate for Webber.
  • I would rank Alonso and Hamilton ahead of Button.
  • For the drivers of the 'new teams' I'm not sure I'd rank Kovalainen in the top ten, or d'Ambrosio in the bottom few considering I think he and Glock are pretty much even in their team battle and it's his first season. The others are probably harsh but fair, though perhaps I'd knock Liuzzi down a place or two for some of his backmarker antics.
  • I would rank Schumacher higher. I know he's got into a lot of accidents but his race pace has been a big step up from last season.
  • I would place Sutil a couple of places higher up maybe. Still behind di Resta probably, but Sutil has stepped his game up and got some good results in the last few races.
That's about it.
 
It's an impressive exercise, but I'm not sure about using average ratings. If I'm looking at a backmarker or rookie, I'm more interested in flashes of speed than consistency.

So here's my arbitrary mid-season ranking based on performances in 2011:

1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Button
5. Webber
6. Rosberg
7. Kovalainen
8. Massa
9. di Resta
10. Kobayashi
11. Schumacher
12. Perez
13. Glock
14. Buemi
15. Alguersuari
16. Petrov
17. Heidfeld
18. Sutil
19. Maldonado
20. Barrichello
21. Liuzzi
22. Trulli
23. Ricciardo
24. d'Ambrosio
25. Karthikeyan
 
RayInTorontoCanada said:
Hungary - You gave Vettel and Webber the SAME mark - 7? :o

Worse still, you gave Button 2 ranks higher than Vettel - a 9 - for qualifying worse than him and bearly beating him eventhough he was in a McLaren that's acknowledged to be superior to the Red Bull, especially in those climatic conditions? :rolleyes:

Really?

Why would you give Vettel such a poor mark especially given the fact that you're giving Alguersauri and Rosberg the same?
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Vettel ran wide on several occasions, and would have ended up fourth- somewhere pretty close to Webber (Of course, this is a thought, rather than hard fact!) if Alonso hadn't gone onto the super-softs, Hamilton hadn't had his various problems and Webber hadn't of stuck the intermediates on.

The McLaren may have been faster than the Red Bull in those conditions- but to be pulling a second a lap at times surely isn't just a car- McLaren can't have improved by 1.5 seconds in such a short time, can they? Also, Button's battle with Hamilton was an excellent show of overtaking/reaction to being overtaken (Not closing the door to force an accident and a penalty like we have seen at times this year) and calling the strategy right on tyres- if he had got it wrong, he certainly wouldn't have been getting a 9!

Alguersuari and Rosberg had good races. The Mercedes just hasn't got the pace- and worse still chews its tyres up more quickly than every other car, and Alguersuari dragged a Toro Rosso into the points. To score a 7, Vettel certainly didn't have a bad race- I just don't think he is driving as well as he did in some of the earlier races- where he won in a Red Bull that didn't have quite so superior race pace- he seems to be securing the championship with some solid (and very good) points.
 
If you are making the assumption that Alonso had not gone onto super softs, then you also have to assume he would not have got the under cut. Similarly Vettel was easily ahead of Webber. The worst possibility for Vettel was 3rd, but considering how he and Button were closing in on Hamilton at the end of his 1st two stints, I don't think 2nd is out of question.
 
Everyone who is either working in the paddock or reporting from the races has said that the McLaren is now superior to Red Bull in race trim, especially in cooler and damp conditons...yet Button barely beat Vettel and you're giving him a 9 and Vettel a 7. Button also went wide probably the same number of times as Vettel did.

Vettel wiped the floor with Webber's bum in qually and the race and you give them the same mark. I totally disagree with that but, hey, this is your thread and you're entitled to your opinion.

Futher, you're making excuses for Hamilton for not finishing ahead of Vettel inspite of him being in a superior McLaren. Lewis ought to have finished 2nd or 3rd after McLaren put him on Super Softs on Lap 40...the fact that he didn't was Lewis' own fault...so why penalize Vettel for it?

I think you're lacking objectivity to be honest.

But, as I said, it's your thread and you're perfectly entitled to your view.

Cheers! :)
 
OK, I'll do what Galahad's done. Arbritrary and completely my own work:
  1. Alonso
  2. Vettel
  3. Hamilton
  4. Button
  5. Kobayashi
  6. Rosberg
  7. Webber
  8. Pérez
  9. Kovalainen
  10. Heidfeld
  11. Petrov
  12. Sutil
  13. Massa
  14. Alguersuari
  15. Buemi
  16. Barrichello
  17. Liuzzi
  18. Schumacher
  19. di Resta
  20. de la Rosa
  21. Glock
  22. Ricciardo
  23. d'Ambrosio
  24. Trulli
  25. Maldonado
  26. Chandhok
  27. Karthikeyan
 
Alonso didn't maximize his chances at Malaysia, China (where he was invisible), Canada (where he crashed out after making a bad call on tyres - his own bad call) and at Hungary.

Vettel had a sub par performance only at Germany and, arguably, stole wins at Spain (where McLarens were faster) and Monaco (from Alonso and Button).

So that 4 sub-par races for Alonso and 1 for Vettel...and the Chinese race was dreadful because Massa was mixing it up at the front. Alonso threw away a podium in Canada.

I can't possibly put Alonso ahead of Vettel as a result.
 
I find it difficult to believe that Alonso could have finished any higher than 3rd in Hungary, but I think his consistency is great.

As for Canada, there was a collision. It happens to everyone when you're near enough to another car to collide with them for a majority of the season.

Vettel threw away a Grand Prix win in Canada, his attempt to overtake Hamilton in Britain was botched badly and his spin in Germany was unprofessional and lazy.

Also Vettel has been in a much better car than Alonso for long periods of the season.

Thats my justification, Ray. I've put up my order, if you want to put yours up it'd be grand, but I suspect you're just going to criticise everyone else's.
 
1 Vettel
2 Alonso
3 Hamilton
4 Button

5 Kobayashi
6 Rosberg
7 Webber

8= Kovalainen
8= Perez
10 Petrov

11=Massa
11=Buemi
13= Heidfeld
13= Sutil
13 = di Resta
16= Schumacher
16= Alguersauri

18 Liuzzi
19 Maldonado
20 Glock
21 Barrichello
22 d'Ambrosio
23 Trulli
24 Karthikeyan

I will wait to rate Riccardo...and i'm not rating Chandok or de la Rosa for now.

teabagyokel said:
Vettel threw away a Grand Prix win in Canada...his spin in Germany was unprofessional and lazy.
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Vettel stole a win from Alonso in Monaco ... and, then, Alonso threw away a win in Canada.

Vettel had break problems in Germany...but what was Alonso's excuse for lazily spinning in Hungary. How was Alonso's spin any more 'professional' or any less 'lazy' than Vettel's in Germany?

I'd like to know.
 
RayInTorontoCanada said:
Vettel had break problems in Germany...but what was Alonso's excuse for lazily spinning in Hungary. How was Alonso's spin any more 'professional' or any less 'lazy' than Vettel's in Germany?
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I think the problem with picking out spins in Hungary is that most of the field (including Vettel) had a moment or to there, so I'm not holding it against anyone. In Germany, however, Vettel was the only spinner (save Schumacher) thus it is less acceptable.

Don't get me wrong, I think Seb has had a great season, I just believe that the reason that that flash of red appears towards the front is, quite often, more to do with its driver maximising it rather than its inherent performance.
 
teabagyokel said:
I think the problem with picking out spins in Hungary is that most of the field (including Vettel) had a moment or to there, so I'm not holding it against anyone. In Germany, however, Vettel was the only spinner (save Schumacher) thus it is less acceptable.
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I appreciate your point of view and always respect it. I, however, will have to disagree with you slightly in that:

1. If you replay it, you'll notice Vettel followed Alonso's line over the wet white line...so his line was no different...the only difference was he had brake problems; and

2. Vettel didn't spin the car in Hungary...he 'opened it up' in order not to spin. Alonso actually spun.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Needless to say i'll defend Vettel more on these points than others.

Good to have different points of view, though, otherwise it would be dull if everyone agreed with everyone else!

Cheers, TBY! :)
 
Well I'm glad you asked TBY!

1.Vettel
2.Alonso
3.Hamilton
4.Button
5.Massa
6.Webber
7.Rosberg
8. Kovalainen
9.Schumi
9=. Kobayashi
10.Perez
10=Petrov
11.Buemi
12.Di Resta
12=Sutil
13.Heidfeld
14.Alguesauri
15.D'ambrosio
15=Glock
16.Barrichello
17.Liuzzi
18.Trulli
19.Maldonado
20.Ricciardo
21.Karthikeyan
 
No rankings just a analysis!

Vettel - has a great car under him granted, but has done everything he needs to do to march to another WDC, it has become a shock when he finishes 2nd and 4th these days.

Alonso - Single handedly given respectability to Ferrari, while performances are on the up, by no means can the car be said to be a Championship car but while there are still races Alonso and Ferrari will linger on the hope.

Button - While often overlooked in the scheme of things, he has performed admirably in the context of McLarens roller coaster season, in the early part picked up high yield points, notable performances back to back in Monaco and Montreal and a great rebound in Hungary, while rather unfancied he has kept the McLaren powers to be from resorting to any de facto number 1 driver.

Hamilton - His strength is his weakness, with notable drives in China and Nurn'burg, to say that Hamilton has had a up and down season will be a understatement. A mix of the great drives, so-so drives and just plain ugly drives.

Webber - The big time loser of the first half, 3 unconverted poles [edit] and the inability to come to grips with the car or deliver when needed.

Massa - Drifting along, hit the snooze button.
 

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