Il_leone
World Champion
The Artist..... I've been thinking will lightning strike twice for Button in car no 22 after supposedly his career being finished
again
De ja vu 2009
againDe ja vu 2009
Head To Head Jenson Button vs Fernando Alonso
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Do you mean that Honda are going to drop out late on, then Ron Dennis will sell the team for a fiver and that the team will then have to chop the rear bodywork apart to fit the Mercedes engine in?
Il_leone
World Champion
Bill Boddy Well that probably won't happen
Neither do I. It won't be Dennis who sells the team, he will get pushed aside and out by the other equity holders, then they will sell the team to Alonso. The silly season is not yet over.
Il_leone
World Champion
Bill Boddy Ron's worst nightmare the team is sold to Flavio Briatore !
That's the next worst thing to it being sold to Mad Max.
Thoughts from Ted Kravitz on the Button/Alonso partnership.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/2...-return-buttons-retention-at-new-look-mclaren
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/2...-return-buttons-retention-at-new-look-mclaren
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
If he beats Alonso..
That's the way I read it anyway..
That's the way I read it anyway..
The Artist..... Is Prost "the very best"?
Sadly, beating a former world champion in a season only really counts if you win the title. Prost has four to his name, Button one. It doesn't matter who he beats in that respect.
Nico beat a world champion, oh yeah
By a point, in the last race of the season, in the same car.
Danny Ricciardo seems to be doing well from it!
I liken it to the fact that Newcastle beat Chelsea this season. How good does that make Newcastle?
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
cider_and_toast
That's not a good comparison; in football, the performance of the team is determined not by the quality of the football boots or the ground, but by the quality of the players.
In F1, the quality of the car is a large proportion of the determinant of performance. As such, relative performances really matter. If you, as a world champion, are beaten by your teammate over the course of the season, that is an indicator of your team-mate's quality; if the team haven't managed to build a top line car, then that's not the driver's fault...
You might look at Newcastle beating Chelsea, and say on that day, they were the better team, but over the course of the season you would expect to see Chelsea on top, as on the whole, they are the better squad...
That's not a good comparison; in football, the performance of the team is determined not by the quality of the football boots or the ground, but by the quality of the players.
In F1, the quality of the car is a large proportion of the determinant of performance. As such, relative performances really matter. If you, as a world champion, are beaten by your teammate over the course of the season, that is an indicator of your team-mate's quality; if the team haven't managed to build a top line car, then that's not the driver's fault...
You might look at Newcastle beating Chelsea, and say on that day, they were the better team, but over the course of the season you would expect to see Chelsea on top, as on the whole, they are the better squad...
Il_leone
World Champion
cider_and_toast Does that dampen Alonso's reputation seeing he just thrashed Kimi Raikkonen who was suppose to provide him stiff competition?
Does it hurt Hamilton's reputation that he has beaten two reigning world champion team mates - only Reuteman and Prost holds that distinction
although Prost is the only who can say he did it to become world champion
I seem to remember
i) Frentzen's status as a world class driver moved up when he beat Hill in 1999
ii) Mansell was suddenly a world class driver and Piquet was an average driver when they were teammates at Williams because Nelson did not like Nigel beating him and was considered amongst the best drivers in that era
iii) Button being rubbished by a lot of people saying he is not in Hamilton's league and has no right to be in the same team as him and would get a serious whooping - he seemed to have proved them wrong in 2011
F1 is different - it is over a season your comparisons to football is slightly flawed in that it is over 2 games
Does it hurt Hamilton's reputation that he has beaten two reigning world champion team mates - only Reuteman and Prost holds that distinction
although Prost is the only who can say he did it to become world champion
I seem to remember
i) Frentzen's status as a world class driver moved up when he beat Hill in 1999
ii) Mansell was suddenly a world class driver and Piquet was an average driver when they were teammates at Williams because Nelson did not like Nigel beating him and was considered amongst the best drivers in that era
iii) Button being rubbished by a lot of people saying he is not in Hamilton's league and has no right to be in the same team as him and would get a serious whooping - he seemed to have proved them wrong in 2011
F1 is different - it is over a season your comparisons to football is slightly flawed in that it is over 2 games
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