Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
But I was going to make a serious point about Alonso and how he started making mistakes when Trulli got his game together a bit more in 2004! Am I not allowed to?

Well that's it. I'm sulking now. I am tapping my foot repeatedly on the floor, turning my head away, folding my arms.

I'm hurt. T'is not fair.
 
Seriously though that was always the thing about Alonso. I don't know if it would be any different now but his driving would start getting erratic when team-mates matched him. I remember that incident at Monaco in 2004 with his team-mate on pole. That crash in the tunnel when on the verge of impacting the wall at backwards at 150mph instead of bracing himself for impact he had his arm out of the cockpit waving his mid-digit at Ralph Schumacher when he wasn't finished crashing yet.
And the Canadian and French GP's in 2007 as Hamilton was making his mark, both races a comedy of errors on his part.
 
Kewee Over a season Alonso should come out on top of Piquet Jnr who I said I did not rate because his dad pretty much bought him into F1 by even having run a team for him to succeed in GP2


But there may have been occasions why Piquet jnr could have beaten Alonso like in Spain/ Barcelona when he looked like he was on Alonso's pace and then messed up when it came to quali - not sure if someone decided to switch strategies with him to avoid racing Alonso but it was one of the occasions Fernando did not feel too comfortable
 
I don't know if it would be any different now but his driving would start getting erratic when team-mates matched him.

So the way to beat Fernando is to beat him? Seems fair but a tough ask.

p.s this isn't being sarcastic or ironic - every driver has an Achilles heel and if Alonso can be beaten by being better than him then I'm sure someone will rise to the challenge. The big questions is whether this is Magnusson.
 
the way to beat Alonso is to simply not be fazed by him ie be as fast - although Hamilton admitted Alonso was relentlessly consistent


ii) Show robust defending - Hamilton did this but Magnussen so far has been OTT much like Schumacher to the point its hurting him

iii) Be prepared to make bold passes on him - Alonso is probably the hardest driver to pass and very few can pull it off

iv) Be political - no one has been able to get the better of him when it comes to this as he thought Ron Dennis did not live up to the promises when he first signed for Mclaren... I don't see anyone out there who can play the political game like Alonso

although it has to be said it seems to break teams to the point they've had enough of him
 
I haven't seen Alonso break any teams. I saw McLaren break themselves by cheating and dragging others into their mess, including Alonso, and no I'm not anti McLaren, I'm a Kiwi McLaren fan and have been even prior to Bruce McLarens death. He certainly didn't break Ferrari, he dragged sub par cars to results Ferrari didn't deserve for five years, effectively sacrificing any chance of winning another title while he drove for them, and he certainly didn't break Renault, he won multiple world titles with them.
 
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Renault obviously didn't see it that way, they welcomed him back with open arms. If reports at the time were correct Alonso wanted to prove to himself he was capable of negotiating his own future without others holding his hand so to speak. Ok, it didn't work out that time but credit due, it was part of the growing up process. He's a very different man now than he was nearly a decade ago. Sadly for Alonso he had to grow up in the glare of the public eye. Of course this wouldn't have been a problem for some on this site who have clearly had a flawless maturing process, free of mistakes.
 
How to beat Alonso on similar machinery?

I guess by being faster (Move over Alonso, KMag is faster than you) but not only in qualifying but also lap after lap after lap after lap ... and that seems to be Alonso's strength, he's relentless from start to finish.
 
At the beginning of 2006 it looked very much as though Renault would be scaling back on the amount of money that they were putting into F1. So Alonso negotiated a contract with McLaren well before the "silly season". Later on in the year there were stories going around that there were people at Renault who were hoping for another Schumacher WDC so that Alonso could not take the number one with him. However in the end they saw sense for the sake of the team.

If Alonso had the power to force Piquet to move over for him how did Piquet get his second place at Hockenheim? Surely the tean should have ordered Piquet to slow down:whistle:
 
Team orders were banned at that time, not the ones that say crash your car to bring out a safety car so that your team mate can win no not those ones..
 
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Someone compared Alonso to Prost - a great political player but ultimately leaves teams on a bad note

Renault blinded by Flavio 's belief that having drivers from his stables would prove to be a successful solution despite Flavio actually pocketing some of the driver's wages for himself who are paid by Renault and being also paid himself by Renault

Renault did not say a thing when Alonso was winning although they were signs of strain in 2005 and 2006 when Fernando was feeling the pressure

When he returned to Renault his wages was not cheap and the fact that Alonso was always angling for a Ferrari move did not help afterwards when Bouillier came in to manage the team


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It was not just Mclaren cheating but Alonso did not help the situation with some of his actions and words either like openly speaking to Flavio in the paddock right in front of Ron Dennis

whilst at the same time Ron and Mclaren had to put up with him and his tantrums... it was actually very stressful at Mclaren every day once Alonso walked into Woking during the dark days of 2007

Ron could have fired him but did not

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Ferrari he has ended on a bad note whilst giving all but frustrated by the internal politics he has spoken out
 
Ron could have fired him for "walking into Woking"?? Did he headbutt a few houses down while he was there?

Blimey, I knew he was strong-headed but I had no idea just how much.
 
Andyoak It is politics if you demand you deserve full undivided attention at the expense of your teammate - the difference between Alonso and your daughter ( no offence) is he is demanding it from his boss
 
Pick any 'decent' driver and follow their 'political' career, look at the rules of the time and those in charge - only then can you measure the man with any degree of 'fan-based' certainty.

Better to look forward to the next season, once 'we' know who has settled where :dizzy:
 
I agree with FB, it's been well documented that the prime motivation for Lauda to return was to fund his airline buisness.

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I think that's only part of the story. Niki's motivation as a racer seemed to vary according to whether he had a race-winning car. He was great on his return on the twisty tracks where lack of power compared to the turbo cars mattered little and won his third comeback race. Then he somehow went missing in 1983 until McLaren ran the Tag/Porsche. His motivation levels certainly shot right up when faced with the competition with team-mate Prost in1984 and ran some of the best races ofhis areer,

Anyway that's a bit off-topic for this thread.
 
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