Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Kewee - They're not fan threads!

Any way, number of times each car outqualified Alonso:

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Although none but the McLarens and Red Bulls beat him in more than ½ the races, it is notable that each car but the Back Six and Bruno Senna outqualified Alonso at least once, and only di Resta and the Toro Rossos were less likely to beat Alonso than Massa was.

Alonso's comment about being in a group with Lotus/Force India/Sauber were surely overegging the pudding, but the fundamental truth is that he was generally beaten by the front four, that they were beaten regularly by Lotus and challenged at various times by all the others.
 
I see people are quick to point at Massa not helping being allowed to pass Alonso and being made to defer

Alonso did stamp his authority earlier in the season right - leading the championship at various with one stage 40pts lead through finishing each race

He lost two all those points by being taken out both times at the start in which Vettel scored 43pts - so 3pts enough to give the title to Seb

There is no rule to say Ferrari could not change Massa's gearbox and so Alonso could move up the grid

Same as there were no rules to imply Vettel could not change his whole set up despite being disqualified when he is already at the back of the grid

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Vettel has 3 cars to defend his position - his own teammate and the Toro Rosso who would never get in the way of the premier teams lead driver especially if they want to be promoted

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Somone mentioned Mclaren cock ups right ... I think Vettel benefitted at least two wins from Hamilton breaking down which gave Seb 14pts additional and which Lewis managed to peg back 7pts for Alonso at AUstin

so Seb gained 7pts there from Hamilton misfortune

yeah the Hungary Button strategy is one i would really shoot the Mclaren engineers for because he held up Seb who was getting desperate and then they moved Button out of the way and Seb was off into clean air and got more crucial points
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if the Mclarens and Red Bull were at their best each weekend the maximum Alonso should manage is 5th place

I believe more than not he finished above this position
 
no-FIAt-please..... Easily explained. In damp conditions I suspect Vettel got a touch of wheelspin as he accelerated out of the left hander at the same time as Alonso had grip. That's all it takes when cars are that close. As far as staying out, he had no way of knowing how badly his front wing was damaged, a driver can't see their front wing. He was making a reasonable job of defending against Webber and for that reason probably thought he only had a broken end plate. There's no way he would have stayed out had he known there was a risk of losing his front wing.
 
FB.....Your absolutely right. Totally the teams fault. Quite a few apologies going on at Ferrari I would think.

Jos the Boss...... Probably unfair to apportion blame for the accident. Very tough conditions during the starts, especially in the damp. They're racing after all, that's what we expect of them and why we love watching.
 
Have to say that was Alonso's fault

I know you can carry on in the wet/ damp without a wing for a while but it was a silly risk to take
 
Made the mistake of watching Ted's notebook again, so still up and moved make another post. Doh. I missed this earlier but Ted says Ferrari tells him that the telemetry only showed the front wing was going to fail 5 seconds before it did. Either they're pulling his leg or they weren't looking at the live pictures which showed the wing flapping like a flipping flag on a pole. A school physics student can tell you what happens to a material if it is bent or flexed repeatedly. It will fail. Well in my book if Ferrari's engineers were really waiting on the telemetry to make the box call then Fernando should sue the nuts off them for needlessly endangering his life or livelihood. That could have been so much more serious had the failure occurred elsewhere on the circuit.

In the words of Flippy Massa "Unbeleebabble!"
 
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